Are There Gay Klingons?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-08 12:26pm

TurboPhaser wrote:
The_Lumberjack wrote:Have we actually seen any gay humans in Star Trek? Excluding aliens with a plot device to explain it? I can't remember any, but it is rather late, so I might be forgetting an example.
No, but IIRC there was going to be something in the FC script about Lt. Hawk being gay, but surprise, suprise - they cut it.

Probably because it would have been a completely irrelevant C-level plot. Rather like the stupid and sappy romance in the Insurrection.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-11-08 12:52pm

The_Lumberjack wrote:Have we actually seen any gay humans in Star Trek? Excluding aliens with a plot device to explain it? I can't remember any, but it is rather late, so I might be forgetting an example.

The only homosexual character was in DS9(the Attendent)...in the Alterverse, and was likely bi-sexual...who knows.

But as to main universe TOS-ENT?

Nope.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-11-08 01:16pm

Ender wrote:No, there has never been a homosexual character on the show. In fact there has been some pretty anti homosexual stuff on it (that episode where Crusher falls in love with the Trill that gets implanted in Riker and then in a female), and everytime the possibility of a homosexual character is broached, it gets shot down.

Rejoined never made any mention of two females have romantic feelings for each other, it wasn't raised as an issue and Kira couldn't figure any possible reason why the two couldn't just pick up where they left off.

Crusher's reason for not keeping her relationship with Odan was the uncertainty about "his" constant host changes not that his host was now a female, again the fact that the host is a female is a non issue (of course Crusher may be hiding her true feelings and just not be attracted to women, which last time I checked isn't anti-homosexual).

The Hawk was a homosexual thing was used by Peter David in one of the Section 31 books IIRC (the story is as told to his boyfriend (or possibly Husband, I don't recall).

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 2003-11-08 01:19pm

didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-11-08 01:41pm

Theres a very good website on the very subject of homosexuality in Star Trek. Here is a link: http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-11-08 02:21pm

I recall once there was a ferengi female that masqueraded as a male because she could do the business thing, which wasn't allowed in thier society.

She told (Jadzia) Dax she was in love with Quark and Dax was all understanding about it, then was shocked to find out she was female. That indicates to me that homosexuality is at least known about in Ferengi and Trill society at that time.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2003-11-09 04:50pm

I'd always heard that there wasn't any real mention of homosexuality in ST because it was supposedly just some common boring thing that didn't matter. Like race, gender, etc. It's in keeping with the whole "one big happy family" theme. I know they at least had a lesbian kiss on DS9 cause I remember being younger and REALLY lovin DS9 at that moment.

Now, all that being said, I'm sure there are gay Klingons, and knowing how fanatical some fans are....I bet there is a porn of it somewhere....

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-11-09 05:07pm

The_Lumberjack wrote:Have we actually seen any gay humans in Star Trek? Excluding aliens with a plot device to explain it? I can't remember any, but it is rather late, so I might be forgetting an example.

To the extent that we know without a doubt they're gay, no. But we've seen a few you could reasonably surmise have tendencies, at least. The "Mark 2" EMH from the Voyager ep "Message In A Bottle" played by Andy Dick might be one (okay, it's a hologram, but the d00d it was modeled after...) That "Daniels" dude from ENT might be a good candidate. Barclay might be bi. It's certainly possible. Yar had some pretty good indicators of a mid-range Kinsey rating. (The only being she ever expressed overt sexual interest in was still technically a really elaborate dildo...)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-09 05:07pm

kojikun wrote:Theres a very good website on the very subject of homosexuality in Star Trek. Here is a link: http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

They seem to find it upsetting that Trek hasn't done anything with a gay character. All I can say is they shouldn't be suprised, Trek stopped doing anything genuinely progressive when TOS died. Instead it's been psuedo-progessive PC bullshit ever since. If they're suprised, they obviously haven't paid much attention to it.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-11-09 05:09pm

Jeremy wrote:didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?

I believe that has happened, and the Mirror-Universe Kira was all kinds of dykin' it. (Was it her that was tongue-wrestling Jadzia? I seem to recall she got Ezri, too.)

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-11-09 05:49pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Jeremy wrote:didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?
I believe that has happened, and the Mirror-Universe Kira was all kinds of dykin' it. (Was it her that was tongue-wrestling Jadzia? I seem to recall she got Ezri, too.)

I think it was Ezri.

I think there are no gay folk mainly because it won't be allowed on American TV.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-11-09 06:42pm

Gandalf wrote:I think there are no gay folk mainly because it won't be allowed on American TV.

Err, there have been gay characters, either openly so or implied, on American TV since "Laugh In" in the sixties.
Too controversial for Trek's production staff is a far more likely explanation.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-11-09 07:02pm

In Voyager Kes went kinda Bi when a warlord took over her body. The warlord was married and when the Warlord/Kes was reunited with his/her wife there was almost some kissing, also the Warlord/Kes was getting re-married to the prince of the planet and was wanting a 3-some. Although the bi-sexuallness was implied and never openly stated it was there.

*Edited because Pounder doesn't know the difference between DS9 and Voyager*

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-11-09 11:47pm

Gay Klingons? I would venutre a guess that Alexander son of Worf, and the Son of Duros from the episodes Redemption I & II. As for Alexander look at him on TNG and DS9, how can he not be gay. I think Harry Kim was also gay but so far in the closet he kept trying for women but notice how his attempts fail bigtime like someone who doesn't want to be with a woman.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-11-10 12:43am

Death from the Sea wrote:Gay Klingons? I would venutre a guess that Alexander son of Worf, and the Son of Duros from the episodes Redemption I & II. As for Alexander look at him on TNG and DS9, how can he not be gay. I think Harry Kim was also gay but so far in the closet he kept trying for women but notice how his attempts fail bigtime like someone who doesn't want to be with a woman.

It's interesting that he was having rape fantasies with 7 of 9 as the aggressor...

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-11-10 01:23am

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:Gay Klingons? I would venutre a guess that Alexander son of Worf, and the Son of Duros from the episodes Redemption I & II. As for Alexander look at him on TNG and DS9, how can he not be gay. I think Harry Kim was also gay but so far in the closet he kept trying for women but notice how his attempts fail bigtime like someone who doesn't want to be with a woman.
It's interesting that he was having rape fantasies with 7 of 9 as the aggressor...

Eeep!

Only one problem I've had with 7*9. Her boobs are way too big for my tastes.

If she had A cups, I'd bonk her in a heartbeat!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-10 01:42am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:

Eeep!

Not really, I'm willing to bet their are plenty of guys that wouldn't mind that happening and dream about the same thing.

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Only one problem I've had with 7*9. Her boobs are way too big for my tastes. If she had A cups, I'd bonk her in a heartbeat!

Now that's suprising. I'd never thought I'd hear that!

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-11-10 01:43am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:

Eeep!

Only one problem I've had with 7*9. Her boobs are way too big for my tastes. If she had A cups, I'd bonk her in a heartbeat!

hell no man, her tits are great and they are REAL!!!

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-11-10 04:41am

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Jeremy wrote:didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?
I believe that has happened, and the Mirror-Universe Kira was all kinds of dykin' it. (Was it her that was tongue-wrestling Jadzia? I seem to recall she got Ezri, too.)

Didn't she kissed or anything with her mirror self? I could have sworn she was very eager to play with the good kira.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-11-10 02:15pm

Rubberanvil wrote:
Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Jeremy wrote:didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?
I believe that has happened, and the Mirror-Universe Kira was all kinds of dykin' it. (Was it her that was tongue-wrestling Jadzia? I seem to recall she got Ezri, too.)
Didn't she kissed or anything with her mirror self? I could have sworn she was very eager to play with the good kira.

Far as I know, that's only happened in several hundred thousand teenage boys' wet dreams.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-11-10 02:43pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Only one problem I've had with 7*9. Her boobs are way too big for my tastes. If she had A cups, I'd bonk her in a heartbeat!

Now that's suprising. I'd never thought I'd hear that!

Death from the Sea wrote:hell no man, her tits are great and they are REAL!!!

I did tell everyone here I was a bit bi. I like girls with small tits

BUT DONT WORRY, IT'S NOT THE APOCALYPSE. I STILL LOVE GUYS!!!</Disclaimer for Koji>

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-11-11 01:19am

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Rubberanvil wrote:
Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote: I believe that has happened, and the Mirror-Universe Kira was all kinds of dykin' it. (Was it her that was tongue-wrestling Jadzia? I seem to recall she got Ezri, too.)
Didn't she kissed or anything with her mirror self? I could have sworn she was very eager to play with the good kira.
Far as I know, that's only happened in several hundred thousand teenage boys' wet dreams.

Probably true, I haven't reseen the epsiode in question since the first run.

ali-sama · Post by **ali-sama** » 2003-11-13 01:19pm

Bob McDob wrote:Well?

why? looking for a partner? sorry Ito say I am very straight and quite human.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-11-17 12:56pm

Death from the Sea wrote:Gay Klingons? I would venutre a guess that Alexander son of Worf, and the Son of Duros from the episodes Redemption I & II. As for Alexander look at him on TNG and DS9, how can he not be gay. I think Harry Kim was also gay but so far in the closet he kept trying for women but notice how his attempts fail bigtime like someone who doesn't want to be with a woman.

Yeah, I remember Alexander taking mud baths in the holodeck with Lewxana Troi and all of her holographic friends... that looks pretty gay.
Besides I've always wondered why federation uniforms are so tight.....

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-18 07:25am

Jeremy wrote:didn't they have Judzea kiss some woman?

Yes. That was in "DS9 : Rejoined".

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