Hamas To Resume Attacks Against Israel

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-06-10 06:38pm

The whole things been a clusterfuck for the last 5000 years.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-06-10 06:41pm

Faqa wrote:Guys, in THEORY, sure, a goverment just declared war on us.

In practice? Ahmed Q. Pallie hates us, sure, and that's why Hamas is in power. But Ahmed is far more concerned about bringing in money for his ten or so kids and older relatives than he is about driving any number of infidels into the sea. If we prevent him from being able to do that? Guess what, then it DOES become his primary concern to blow us up. And when Hamas's fucktards promise him 10K for his family to blow up in a Tel Aviv pizza parlor, guess what his answer is?

The best thing Israel can do right now is surgically strike at Hamas without hitting civilians, and support the PA's peaceful elements. Either that, or a non-nuclear Shep Solution.

This isn't a military fight, guys. No more than America's fight in Iraq is. After all, you COULD just blow the shit out of anything that moves there as well, right? Just as we DO have the military force to turn Hamas into a smoking hole in the ground. But it'd be a bloodbath with a murderously angry populace left afterwards. Even more than now.

Move out, fire only when fired upon, and secretly help out the reasonable folks in the local politics. That's all we can do if we really want peace.

Too bad that Hamas cannot be taken seriously as a political entity even after they win the elections: just a bunch of glorified thugs and wackos.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-06-10 06:41pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Helocopters take time to reply. By then, the militants are gone. Artillery arrives much faster.
We use helicopters to respond to rocket attacks in Afghanistan and don't seem to have any problems.

Kendall is right. Even if they have a slower response time, choppers can bring in more precise firepower and help to put a better face on Israel.

But Shep also has a point. Sometimes the crushing might of a artillery strike can put the fear of God into a person.

The question here is whether a proportional response will work against terrorists in an urban area and if civilian casualities are acceptable. I am going to side with Kendall here. Crushing everything in sight will only give Hamas more resolve. Helicopters and special forces are the answer. Surgical strikes keep civilians out of harm's way as best as can be produced in this situation. You need to give the enemy as little as possible to use against you.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2006-06-10 06:45pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:
Kendall is right. Even if they have a slower response time, choppers can bring in more precise firepower and help to put a better face on Israel.

But Shep also has a point. Sometimes the crushing might of a artillery strike can put the fear of God into a person.

The question here is whether a proportional response will work against terrorists in an urban area and if civilian casualities are acceptable. I am going to side with Kendall here. Crushing everything in sight will only give Hamas more resolve. Helicopters and special forces are the answer. Surgical strikes keep civilians out of harm's way as best as can be produced in this situation. You need to give the enemy as little as possible to use against you.

If Afghanistan is any example than Hamas is probably setting the rockets off by either remote or by timer so the chances of someone being there are remote. Their not stupid and are going to take the route that maximises the damage to Israel while doing the most to boost their cause and minimise damage to themselves and part of that means making Israel out to look like thugs.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-06-10 07:00pm

That is why I agreed with you and siad that when dealing with terrorists, you stick to surgical strikes that have minimal damage to civilians.

TheMuffinKing · Post by **TheMuffinKing** » 2006-06-11 12:25am

Eliminate EVERY palestinian man woman and child. Occupy and fortify all the territories. This is the easiest way to secure internal peace in Isreal. The problem from that is the world's view after that.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2006-06-11 12:49am

TheMuffinKing wrote:The problem from that is the world's view after that.

Don't tell me me you think thats the only problem with your proposed solution...

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-06-11 12:51am

TheMuffinKing wrote:Eliminate EVERY palestinian man woman and child. Occupy and fortify all the territories. This is the easiest way to secure internal peace in Isreal. The problem from that is the world's view after that.

I believe that qualifies as crimes against humanity and probably many war crimes. Please tell me that that is not your answer.

Maraxus · Post by **Maraxus** » 2006-06-11 01:24am

Eliminate EVERY palestinian man woman and child.

You are aware that not every Palestinian supports Hamas or the total destruction of Israel, right? You are aware that what you just called for is known as 'genocide', right?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-06-11 01:31am

Ah. People abide by the 'No threats against world leaders' rule, but can't quite bring themselves to not declare thousands should be put to the sword.

In any event. The IvP moratorium seems rather blatantly breached by this point. Thread locked.