Hamas To Resume Attacks Against Israel

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2006-06-09 07:53pm

Hamas's armed wing vowed Friday to end a fragile 16-month truce with Israel, hours after Palestinians said Israel killed 10 people in the Gaza Strip, including a family with three children who were having a picnic on a crowded beach.

Palestinian medical officials said the casualties included five members of one family, including a woman and two infants. About 20 other people were injured, said witnesses.

"The earthquake in the Zionist towns will start again," said a leaflet distributed by Hamas on Friday. The pamphlet called for a " tough, strong and unique response."

Israeli forces temporarily halted their bombardment of the area after the deaths were reported. Israeli Capt. Jacob Dallas expressed regret for any harm to civilians.

Yoga Gallant, chief of the Israeli Military Southern Command, said the army was investigating the killings on the beach and that he also regretted any civilian deaths.

"We did not fire into a place where there were innocents," Gallant told Reuters in a conference call. "We are exploring two possibilities, a wrongly aimed artillery shell or an independent incident we were not involved in."

Hamas won parliamentary elections in January and formed the Palestinian government weeks later.

Avenging killing of commander?

The Israeli armed forces said they were targeting areas used by Palestinian militants to fire homemade rockets at Israel.

But the Palestinians said they were trying to avenge the Israeli killing the day before of Abu Saharan, commander of the Hamas government's private militia and the highest-profile militant killed by Israel in four years.

Gallant's apologies did little to calm tempers in the tit-for-tat battle that has erupted since Samhadana was killed.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who leads the rival Palestinian Fatah party, condemned Friday's killings as a "bloody massacre" and called on the international community to halt the Israeli offensive.

Hamas militants took a more aggressive line, saying, "the Israeli massacres represent a direct opening battle, and that means the earthquake in the Zionist cities will resume and the herds of occupiers have no choice but to prepare the coffins or the departing luggage."

There was no immediate comment from Hamas's political leadership.

Hamas, which has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks on Israelis, does not recognize the existence of Israel. Western countries and Israel have cut off millions in humanitarian funding to the Palestinian Authority, demanding Hamas renounce violence and recognize Israel.

Israeli and Palestinian leaders signed a truce agreement in February 2005. Hamas has largely stuck to the ceasefire.

So much for that ceasefire.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-06-09 08:20pm

Hey, if there was ever a better illustration of the Circle of Life that didn't involve the Savannah, this would be it.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-06-09 09:09pm

Hopefully this time we get treated to some hardcore asswhipping, courtesy of IDF 105mm, 155mm, and MRLS, wipe out a few grid squares boys.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2006-06-09 09:42pm

Are you geneticly incapable of responding to an event without a call for mass destruction and massive death tolls?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-06-09 09:47pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:Are you geneticly incapable of responding to an event without a call for mass destruction and massive death tolls?

Excuse me, but the ELECTED government of "Palestine" has just basically declared war on Israel. They no longer have the fig leaf of "oh, it's just these mean islamic jihad people, we can't control them!" to hide behind. Now, they must face the consequences of their actions.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2006-06-09 09:49pm

And mindlessly killing everyone in the region is sure to have them vote Hamas out of power.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-09 10:02pm

MKSheppard wrote:Hopefully this time we get treated to some hardcore asswhipping, courtesy of IDF 105mm, 155mm, and MRLS, wipe out a few grid squares boys.

Do you really think that would end the hatred? Those tactics are pretty good for shutting down open hostilities, but even rampant barbarism won't stop hatred, which in turn causes terrorism. Look at the example of the Russian tactics used against the Chechens and Afghans; they were not afraid to use "relaxed rules of engagement" in order to get the job done, and it didn't shut down the movements opposing them.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2006-06-09 10:05pm

Alyeska wrote:And mindlessly killing everyone in the region is sure to have them vote Hamas out of power.

Are you kidding? Of course not. This is great, we KNOW where all of the Hamas leaders are, shoot it IS The government now.

If the Government of a nation says, "We shall Attack you" and then DOES that, well, I'd say that Government leaves itself open to get royally boned. Now, this does NOT excuse acts against the general populace as a whole or wide scale collateral damage. Just because the Civies might have been idiots to vote a Terrorist organization in as their leaders doesn't mean you can make them into targets

Post by **fgalkin** » 2006-06-09 10:11pm

The Palestinians have pretty much declared war on Israel, so Israel should treat it as such. Come in, and end the Palestinian "autonomy" once and for all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-06-09 10:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:[Those tactics are pretty good for shutting down open hostilities

Except that it's now pretty much "open hostilities" between governments.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2006-06-10 01:07am

Darth Wong wrote: Do you really think that would end the hatred? Those tactics are pretty good for shutting down open hostilities, but even rampant barbarism won't stop hatred, which in turn causes terrorism. Look at the example of the Russian tactics used against the Chechens and Afghans; they were not afraid to use "relaxed rules of engagement" in order to get the job done, and it didn't shut down the movements opposing them.

You forget one thing; in both Afghanistan and Chechnya the enemy has had a secure sanctuary adjacent to the fighting which made it impossible for the resistance to ever be stamped out no matter what conventional tactics where used. If the enemy has a limited but unending supply of men, material and money then that's a simply reality.
The Russians also never went all the way and used chemical weapons, except perhaps against a few very deep underground Afghan tunnel complexes. The times when poison gas has been used against insurgencies it has always lead to swift victories against them. I suspect that idea would be rather unpopular in Isreal though.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-06-10 01:34am

I hear nuclear weapons also lead to the sudden end of hostilites. Why doesn't Israel just turn the Gaza Strip into a parking lot and be done with it?

Ar-Adunakhor · Post by **Ar-Adunakhor** » 2006-06-10 01:38am

Surlethe wrote:I hear nuclear weapons also lead to the sudden end of hostilites. Why doesn't Israel just turn the Gaza Strip into a parking lot and be done with it?

Well, correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression the general view on that is "Since you did, now we can too. Mwahahaha!"

Maraxus · Post by **Maraxus** » 2006-06-10 01:40am

Surlethe wrote:I hear nuclear weapons also lead to the sudden end of hostilites. Why doesn't Israel just turn the Gaza Strip into a parking lot and be done with it?

Perhaps because of the massive political reprocussions of turning an entire state into a radioactive cloud of smoke?

And shep, does it really not bother you when civilians are killed in a conflict?

TheMuffinKing · Post by **TheMuffinKing** » 2006-06-10 03:54am

Fuck it, I agree with Shep on this one except for the genocide. Find those responsible for the open hostilities and quietly "remove" them from existence. Nuke the "refugee" camps though to eliminate everyone.
Theoretically it would be easier to destroy everyone and everything...it would quickly stop the problem, though the ramifications of such an action would be unfathomable.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-06-10 04:07am

Surlethe wrote:I hear nuclear weapons also lead to the sudden end of hostilites. Why doesn't Israel just turn the Gaza Strip into a parking lot and be done with it?

Open a map, flip to the middle east. Take a good look at where the Gaza Strip is. Notice it's distance from major Israeli cities.

Then, if you have it, switch to a map showing air currents.

You will now understand why there will be no nukes dropped in an area less then 100km from Israels economic capital.

Shep, are you coincidently ignoring the fact this month massive protests occured in the Gaza Strip by thousands of Palestinians demanding peace so they can return to work?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-10 04:23am

TheMuffinKing wrote:Fuck it, I agree with Shep on this one except for the genocide. Find those responsible for the open hostilities and quietly "remove" them from existence. Nuke the "refugee" camps though to eliminate everyone.
Theoretically it would be easier to destroy everyone and everything...it would quickly stop the problem, though the ramifications of such an action would be unfathomable.

You want to nuke refugee camps? Oh, my.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2006-06-10 08:57am

Guys, in THEORY, sure, a goverment just declared war on us.

In practice? Ahmed Q. Pallie hates us, sure, and that's why Hamas is in power. But Ahmed is far more concerned about bringing in money for his ten or so kids and older relatives than he is about driving any number of infidels into the sea. If we prevent him from being able to do that? Guess what, then it DOES become his primary concern to blow us up. And when Hamas's fucktards promise him 10K for his family to blow up in a Tel Aviv pizza parlor, guess what his answer is?

The best thing Israel can do right now is surgically strike at Hamas without hitting civilians, and support the PA's peaceful elements. Either that, or a non-nuclear Shep Solution.

This isn't a military fight, guys. No more than America's fight in Iraq is. After all, you COULD just blow the shit out of anything that moves there as well, right? Just as we DO have the military force to turn Hamas into a smoking hole in the ground. But it'd be a bloodbath with a murderously angry populace left afterwards. Even more than now.

Move out, fire only when fired upon, and secretly help out the reasonable folks in the local politics. That's all we can do if we really want peace.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2006-06-10 09:15am

Nice, just what Hamas have been praying for ever since the threat of a vote on seeking peace with Israel was announced.

mingo · Post by **mingo** » 2006-06-10 10:28am

I don't think that anyone can stop the hatred in that area. a Pagan friend of mine claims the problem is that in that area, the Gods killed alkl the Goddesses, and then went insane.

Regardless, as I said I don't think anyone can do anything to stop the death and revenge cycle. What I DO think we can do is stop making a buck on it. If they are reduced to throwing rocks at each other, perhaps they tire of killing each other.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2006-06-10 11:31am

fgalkin wrote:The Palestinians have pretty much declared war on Israel, so Israel should treat it as such. Come in, and end the Palestinian "autonomy" once and for all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Is "once and for all" kind of like a "final solution"?

Israel declared war on the Palestinians long ago and has been carrying out piecemeal ethnic cleansing ever since. What I'd like to know is why you have such a hardon for Zionist Lebensraum.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2006-06-10 12:22pm

Also, it was Israel who shelled the beach strip killing civilians, which makes Hamas somewhat justified in their inane ramblings.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2006-06-10 12:24pm

fgalkin wrote:The Palestinians have pretty much declared war on Israel, so Israel should treat it as such. Come in, and end the Palestinian "autonomy" once and for all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Wouldn't that just end with Israeli troops occupying a brassed off Palestinian population?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2006-06-10 12:37pm

Elfdart wrote:
fgalkin wrote:The Palestinians have pretty much declared war on Israel, so Israel should treat it as such. Come in, and end the Palestinian "autonomy" once and for all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Is "once and for all" kind of like a "final solution"?

Israel declared war on the Palestinians long ago and has been carrying out piecemeal ethnic cleansing ever since. What I'd like to know is why you have such a hardon for Zionist Lebensraum.

I'll tell you why if you tell me why you have such a hard on for Arab nazis.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **fgalkin** » 2006-06-10 12:42pm

Gandalf wrote:
fgalkin wrote:The Palestinians have pretty much declared war on Israel, so Israel should treat it as such. Come in, and end the Palestinian "autonomy" once and for all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Wouldn't that just end with Israeli troops occupying a brassed off Palestinian population?

Yes, and it's a good thing, for two reasons. First, unlike places like Iraq, there's just so many places you can hide in the territories, so by occupying them, you can actually get rid of the Islamist assholes. And two, unlike the current situation, Israel wouldn't be able to wash their hands of the conditions in the territories, they'll have to try to fix them if they want to retain the moral high ground. And the Palestinians would actually be much better off under Isreal than under their own so-called "leaders" who are more interested in padding their bank accounts.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin