Death Star II vs. Yuuzhan Vong

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-01 12:43am

In the NJO books the characters mention several times that a DS would be usefull. How would the Empire(The NR would be too weak to use such a powerful tool) use the DS against the YV fleet.

Would they use it right away at the first sign of a threat or wait until more V ships had deployed.

I think the DS superlaser would penetrate those gravity thingys and blow it to smithereens. The YV would have no way to deploy the large gravity thingys to rip off the DSs shields(they didn't bring any with on the interstellar voyage)

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-08-01 12:45am

Imp officer: Ohh what's that you say? You can terraform entire planets in a matter of days, in order to suite your needs? Well that does sound impressive, oh wait I can destroy it even faster... FIRE!!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-01 01:08am

They would attempt to destroy YV worldships with it.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-08-01 02:15am

Originally posted by Master of Ossus
They would attempt to destroy YV worldships with it.

I believe what you meant to say was;

They would succeed to destroy YV worldships with it.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-08-01 06:00am

Planetary destruction aside, I doubt if the DS needs to use the superlaser anyway. The DS surface is covered by at least *millions* of Turbolaser, right? Just throw in *that* thing in the middle of Yuuzhan Vong's fleet, watch the scene from the DS bridge, and enjoy a cup of capuccino.

Just reminds me of Death Star massacring Borg fleet in Mike Wong's fanfic....

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-01 06:35am

The Death Star would obliterate Vong ships by the thousands. The dovine basals would be easily overwhelmed by either the sheer firepower of the superlaser or massed firepower from the awesome number of turbolaser emplacements on the surface.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-05 11:02pm

You are quite correct, Crown. The worldships would be destroyed. BTW, in Traitor it is stated by Nom Anor that the Empire would be able to defeat the YV quickly, and before they had finished establishing themselves in the Galaxy. I remember saying somewhere that I did not think that the Empire could pull it off very easily. I withdraw that comment. I was inadequately informed. If I can find where I said that, I would post my apologies to everyone, there, also. The Empire could have defeated the Yuuzhan Vong without much of a problem.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-06 01:39am

Once again

IT'S ALL LUKES FAULT!!!!!!!!

He set the events in motioned that killed the Emperor. And don't forget his friends who helped destroy the Empire.

IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!!!!!

GOD DAMN FUCKING REBELLION!!!!

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-08-07 10:27am

I hereby put forward a motion to try Luke Skywalker for crimes against humanity.
Specification 1: that on or about the premises of the Yavin system he did willfully and with intent cause the deaths of unknown millions of Imperial citizens aboard the Death Star, to save the lives of a paltry few malcontents.
Specification 2: that on or about the premises of the Endor System he blatantly used his Fathers concern for him, by being a weenie and failing to put up a decent fight against a little electricity, to cause his father to betray the emperor, destroying the Empire.
Specification 3: that upon agreeing to serve the Emperor that on or about the premises of the Byss system he did subsequently betray and attempt to kill him.
Specification 4: that he has not memory purged or destroyed C3PO.
Specification 5: that he did willfully and with intent establish a Jedi Academy that only trains whiny imbeciles who are unable to even contemplate actions that might help them win the war
I move that Luke Skywalker be subject to the most horrible fate imaginable: that he be forced to read "Portal" until he enjoys it, thus completely destroying his brain.
The Prosecution rests.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-07 11:10am

I have an even better idea, Force Luke to watch endless reruns of Voyager till his brain explodes.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-07 01:07pm

Although the Death Star would probably be victorious, I'm not sure the Superlaser would be effective as it would seem. I'm not exactly sure how powerful the dovin basils are, but I think they are pretty strong. Then again I'm pretty sure the YV wouldn't "canabilize" their ships to make it hold up under the Superlaser either.

I believe in one of the early NJO books (can't remember which) 1 Jedi attempts to find information on getting hold of a Death Star. I don't see the problem with using one so long as it isn't used as a terror weapon. Jedi Master Skywalker seemed to think otherwise. I believe if they found a Death Star they could have been able to use it to stop the YV.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-07 01:28pm

Yes, in Edge of Victory there was a pseudo-rogue Jedi who was looking for an Imperial superweapon to use on the YV. The search was unsuccessful, but I think you are right. It woud have helped.

And BTW, Anakin should have fired Centerpoint Station at the YV fleet, himself. If he could have wiped them out without the Hapan fleet being wasted as well, he should have done it. It might have saved Fondor, or at least, saved some of the assets still at Fondor. And it would have saved the Hapans.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-07 01:37pm

What book is Centerpoint in? I obviously haven't gotten that far yet. Im only on Jedi Eclipese

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-07 01:56pm

Centerpoint was fired by Thrackan-Sal Solo in Jedi Eclipse.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-07 02:22pm

Shoot! I shouldnt have asked that! Im just starting Jedi Eclipse

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-08 01:01pm

Mr. B wrote:I think the DS superlaser would penetrate those gravity thingys and blow it to smithereens. The YV would have no way to deploy the large gravity thingys to rip off the DSs shields(they didn't bring any with on the interstellar voyage)

Dovin Basal would stop the blast, but the strain would kill it, leaving that spot vulnerable to more superlaser shots or a full TL broadside. Unless the shot was at full power, then say good-bye with one shot.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-08 02:15pm

I'd be very surprised if the superlaser didn't swan straight through the basal even on a low setting.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-08-09 01:13am

The Death Star superlaser would make short work of even a worldship. Stutter fire works in such a manner that it causes the dovin basal to work at making the void. First low power shots are fired to get the basal lined up for a lower setting. Then a high power shot follows up, taxing the dovin basal and breaking through. I have only read any NJO book once so it is vague on the precise example, but I remember something being mentioned that the dovin basal had to exert enough to block whatever was coming at it. Therefore, with the power magnitude that the superlaser exhibits, I believe even on a scale of a worldship, there would be complete destruction.

Sparkticus · Post by **Sparkticus** » 2002-08-11 09:15pm

whoa, wait a minute. The YV would not have a problem stopping a DS blast on max firepower with a dovin basal. Think about it, it's generating a BLACK HOLE! Nothing can escape, full stop. A black hole's strength woulsn't really be dependant on anything. It's a singularity. It's not like you can make 'em suck harder, all they are is a bend, or tear, in space.

Also, Dovin Basal's don't get tired by sucking more in, they get tired continually generating addition singualrities to stop incoming fire, hence the effectiveness of the stutter trigger tactic.

The shitload of HTL's dotting the DS's surface on the other hand, is another story. Worldship go crump...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-11 10:29pm

No kidding. Even without the superlaser, DS II can break through any shield with its HTLs. Plus, there are only so many dovin basals on a YV ship. I doubt they have one for each TL.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-08-12 01:44am

Sparkticus wrote: whoa, wait a minute. The YV would not have a problem stopping a DS blast on max firepower with a dovin basal. Think about it, it's generating a BLACK HOLE! Nothing can escape, full stop. A black hole's strength woulsn't really be dependant on anything. It's a singularity. It's not like you can make 'em suck harder, all they are is a bend, or tear, in space.

Also, Dovin Basal's don't get tired by sucking more in, they get tired continually generating addition singualrities to stop incoming fire, hence the effectiveness of the stutter trigger tactic.

The shitload of HTL's dotting the DS's surface on the other hand, is another story. Worldship go crump...

No thier DB can only handle so much before being overwhelmed. They can regulate how powerful the DB is so as to trick the stutter fire. A SL blast will overwhelm the DB.

Sparkticus · Post by **Sparkticus** » 2002-08-12 07:02am

I thought they ignored the low power shot's as to save the dovin's for heavier fire. This was featured in one of the books, a captain of an ISD commenced firing all batteries at medium power instead of low so that the YV would have to project voids or risk taking serious damage

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-08-12 10:15am

My thought is that if the beam is thick enough, the remaining energy/bolt/beam will simply fly past those mini-black holes and hit the ship behind anyway, and I think that a superlaser would probably be thick enough to do that.

Sparkticus · Post by **Sparkticus** » 2002-08-12 10:46am

Duly noted. I would be a matter of the diametre of the event horizon of the black hole, the point past which not even light can escape.

Point of interest, how do you think a singularity would effect objects moving at FLT in realspace? I know that such techs aren't mentioned in Star Wars, but that's only because they developed beyond subspace travel about 40000 years back in SW time.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-08-12 06:24pm

This is from the expert Destiny's Way at the end of Traitor (A really shitty book. That came together at the end, but the beginning was even more pointless afterwards)

"That's not what the Empire would have done, commander." Han said. "What the Empire would have done was build a supe-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. The would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandoise. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and sub-contractors, and wquipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? IT wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."

Heh, that just kinda made me laugh.

In Traitor, Nom Anor mentions the militaristic ways of the Empire and how they would have been beaten.

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