A better Enterprise

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-26 02:26am

Is it my imagination or was the Enterprise from the Movies 1-6 a hell of a lot better than the Enterprise D??I mean look at WOK the Enterprise and Reliant boith ripped each other up with phasers and phototorps but not one warp core crisis.. look at Enterprise D it blew up after one hit from a torp.in ST6 Ent A took MULTIPLE hits any comments?

Moonstone Spider · Post by **Moonstone Spider** » 2002-07-26 02:49am

Yeah, the Federation's Balls Fell off between TOS and TNG.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-26 02:58am

Moonstone Spider wrote:Yeah, the Federation's Balls Fell off between TOS and TNG.

No, they fell off after the 6th movie.

Meghel · Post by **Meghel** » 2002-07-26 04:20am

In TOS and the first 6 movies they relied on solid engineering.

Form then onwards, they rely on Technobable and forcefields.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-26 04:31am

Yeah, look at the damage Reliant took: They blew the torp launcher, scarred the hull with phaser fire, they even blasted off a nacelle.
Although the ship was disabled and obviously heavy damaged, did the warp core go up? No, the ship simply seized to function.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-07-26 06:21am

Ahhh WOK- back when men were men, women were women, and ST was still cool. The Enterprise kicking the Reliant's ass in the Nebula is one of the best space combat special FX scenes ever IMO.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-26 11:40am

Seriously though, when you really think about it, the warp core issue is fairly recent. Not once in the TOS or the movies I-VI was a waro core breach even mentioned. Why in the HELL is it cropping up now everytime a Starfleet vessel bumps a scaffolding if it is pulling otu of spacedock????

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-07-26 11:46am

Dammit I have a sudden urge to go watch WOK now but the video my family has of it is worn out

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-26 11:48am

Go buy the new SE DVD. It won't wear off, and WOK is worth the money.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-07-26 11:49am

I'm running on empty right now financially. only came back from holidays a couple fo weeks ago.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-26 12:04pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Yeah, look at the damage Reliant took: They blew the torp launcher, scarred the hull with phaser fire, they even blasted off a nacelle.
Although the ship was disabled and obviously heavy damaged, did the warp core go up? No, the ship simply seized to function.

or how about the Enterprise? It's Warp Drive was ofline! and the only problem, too much radiation for someone to go in and fix it. Spock kills himself fixing it but at no time is anyone worried about the core blowing up

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-26 12:07pm

Hey, try to look at it that way: in the TNG era, warpdrives will never go offline as a result of battle damage, because before that can happen, the warpcore will go. That is true technological advancement!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-26 12:26pm

As for a better Enterprise. For the D I'd add a small warp engine to the saucer, directly above the dish. Place 6 torpedo tubes where ten forward is, add an extra Phaser strip top and bottom, and have it separate and act as a light cruiser. for the Star drive, first double the Phaser banks, and place 4 concelled Torpedo Tubes under the dish where it separates. then modify the clape so that the disk can seperate at the drop of a hat.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-26 12:35pm

and make the Battle Bridge the Main Bridge. also both bridges are to manned at all times and ready to operate seperately at any time.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-26 03:20pm

If you want a better Enterprise, get people that didn'd drop out of 4th grade to design it!

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-26 03:33pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Yeah, look at the damage Reliant took: They blew the torp launcher, scarred the hull with phaser fire, they even blasted off a nacelle.
Although the ship was disabled and obviously heavy damaged, did the warp core go up? No, the ship simply seized to function.

However, maybe they have fixed that problem......below is Voyager during the episode "Year of Hell" she is still functioning and combat ready....well sort of.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-26 03:47pm

Reliant took a hit to a critical weak spot, the warp nacelle.
We saw that when the USS Bozeman collided with the E-E's warp nacelle, the ship suffered a core breach and blew.
Now did Voyager, too, suffer such hits, or did she merely get the hull scarred in regions where no crucial systems are located?

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-07-26 04:09pm

Lets just leave it at this... TNG sucks in every way, shape, and form.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-26 04:56pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Reliant took a hit to a critical weak spot, the warp nacelle.
We saw that when the USS Bozeman collided with the E-E's warp nacelle, the ship suffered a core breach and blew.
Now did Voyager, too, suffer such hits, or did she merely get the hull scarred in regions where no crucial systems are located?

For that information you will have to watch the episode. IIRC Voyagers damage was much more extensive than Reliants.

If you take a look at this pic you will see what is left of a GCS in the background just above the exploding Defiant. The saucer section, and neck area are gone, and there is heavy damage to the engineering section. Yet no warp core breach.

NOTE: The breen energy dampening devices would have made abandoning the ship top priority, since it would be impossible to save any of the vessels.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-26 05:01pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Reliant took a hit to a critical weak spot, the warp nacelle.
We saw that when the USS Bozeman collided with the E-E's warp nacelle, the ship suffered a core breach and blew.
Now did Voyager, too, suffer such hits, or did she merely get the hull scarred in regions where no crucial systems are located?
For that information you will have to watch the episode. IIRC Voyagers damage was much more extensive than Reliants.

If you take a look at this pic you will see what is left of a GCS in the background just above the exploding Defiant. The saucer section, and neck area are gone, and there is heavy damage to the engineering section. Yet no warp core breach.

NOTE: The breen energy dampening devices would have made abandoning the ship top priority, since it would be impossible to save any of the vessels.

all i see is one of the nacells and a fireball. looks like a core breach to me

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-26 05:09pm

Isolder74 wrote:
all i see is one of the nacells and a fireball. looks like a core breach to me

I thought someone would mention this.

In all know core breaches involving GCS the stardrive section was completely destroyed.

Usually the saucer section comes flying out, heavily damaged....but the stardrive section is completely obliterated.

IIRC, if anyone can think of a core breach incident involving a GCS where the stardrive section is mostly intact....please share it.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-26 05:23pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
all i see is one of the nacells and a fireball. looks like a core breach to me
I thought someone would mention this.

In all know core breaches involving GCS the stardrive section was completely destroyed.

Usually the saucer section comes flying out, heavily damaged....but the stardrive section is completely obliterated.

IIRC, if anyone can think of a core breach incident involving a GCS where the stardrive section is mostly intact....please share it.

Yes, when the Yammato went up there was a big explosion and the flaming ship was pretty much intact. of coure Data has to inform us that there are no lifeform reading, well duh!

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-26 06:23pm

Isolder74 wrote:
IIRC, if anyone can think of a core breach incident involving a GCS where the stardrive section is mostly intact....please share it.

Yes, when the Yammato went up there was a big explosion and the flaming ship was pretty much intact. of coure Data has to inform us that there are no lifeform reading, well duh![/quote]

Interesting that you should mention that episode. Watch it again carefully, the stardrive section was completely destroyed and the saucers sections hull was melting or in the process of vaporizing.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-27 11:31am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
IIRC, if anyone can think of a core breach incident involving a GCS where the stardrive section is mostly intact....please share it.
Yes, when the Yammato went up there was a big explosion and the flaming ship was pretty much intact. of coure Data has to inform us that there are no lifeform reading, well duh!

Interesting that you should mention that episode. Watch it again carefully, the stardrive section was completely destroyed and the saucers sections hull was melting or in the process of vaporizing.[/quote]

i've watched it and it appears the stardrive section is flaming the same way as the saucer. it then cools and becomes a big lump of metal

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-27 04:10pm

Isolder74 wrote: i've watched it and it appears the stardrive section is flaming the same way as the saucer. it then cools and becomes a big lump of metal

Umm the stardrive section was completely consumed in the explosion.....it is not in that scene at all.

Now since we are both going yes no yes no....maybe someone else who has the TNG episode "Contagion" could add a remark.

FYI the stardrive section is the section that is still warp capable if the saucer is seperated.