10 Glorious Heritage class ships in the Stargate Verse

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-09-12 02:01am

10 fully crewed Glorious Heritage class Battlecruisers, each with 5 Nova Bombs are teleported into the Stargate Verse in the Milky way galaxy in early season 5. The crew of the Highguard ships is mixed gender, 60% Human, 30% Nietzschean and 10% Vedran.

What happens?

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-09-12 02:20am

Earth and the Asgard make new friends, and the Goa'uld get smacked around until they get introduced to the bigass "supermothership" class....

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-09-12 02:25am

Zor wrote:10 fully crewed Glorious Heritage class Battlecruisers, each with 5 Nova Bombs are teleported into the Stargate Verse in the Milky way galaxy in early season 5. The crew of the Highguard ships is mixed gender, 60% Human, 30% Nietzschean and 10% Vedran.

What happens?

System lords get ass-raped w/ antimatter.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-09-12 08:47am

The System Lords will find a way to beat them after a few lost battles.

Cloaked ships with asgards style teleporters should work against them.
Bhaal should have the teleporters now after he got Anubis stuff.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-09-12 08:48am

Read the OP

Early season 5. Even Anubis himself isn't at the height of his power.

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2004-09-12 09:21am

Darksider wrote:Read the OP

Early season 5. Even Anubis himself isn't at the height of his power.

Doh!

Cloaked Tel'taks full of naquadah would still work though.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2004-09-12 02:08pm

In another thread, someone brought up naquadah/naquadriah KKMs.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-09-14 12:12am

You know, if the Higuard decide to go against Earth, one has to wonder how effective those naquadah bombs would be against the GHC ships. (ie: the Naquadah + Potassium bomb shown detonating in "Chain Reaction") We already know that a free-floating explosive device works just fine at staying hidden from Higuard sensors (they used proximity fused kenetic missiles to blow up a ship resembling the "Balance of Judgement" in a season 2 episode by dropping them into the path of said vessel from the Maru.)

From the explosion shown by said bomb, the yield is EASILY multi-megaton (just one particle of each took out a shielded room in the SGC in "Singularity" and left gamma radiation in its wake..) and yielded enough energy to keep the stargate open past the 38 minute window.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-09-15 09:40pm

Vertigo1 wrote:You know, if the Higuard decide to go against Earth, one has to wonder how effective those naquadah bombs would be against the GHC ships. (ie: the Naquadah + Potassium bomb shown detonating in "Chain Reaction") We already know that a free-floating explosive device works just fine at staying hidden from Higuard sensors (they used proximity fused kenetic missiles to blow up a ship resembling the "Balance of Judgement" in a season 2 episode by dropping them into the path of said vessel from the Maru.)

From the explosion shown by said bomb, the yield is EASILY multi-megaton (just one particle of each took out a shielded room in the SGC in "Singularity" and left gamma radiation in its wake..) and yielded enough energy to keep the stargate open past the 38 minute window.

Assuming of corse they could deliver said warhead to the Highguard ship of the Line, as at this point earth cound not hope in hell of hitting something capable of speeds of .3C+.

Also, they are not sociopaths or the type to start a fight for Nothing.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-09-16 04:59am

Zor wrote:at this point earth cound not hope in hell of hitting something capable of speeds of .3C+.

Are you smoking something? Prometheus is capable of reaching over .5 C and a ha'tak can accellerate at a bare minimum of thirty two kilogravities.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-09-16 08:58am

NecronLord wrote:
Zor wrote:at this point earth cound not hope in hell of hitting something capable of speeds of .3C+.
Are you smoking something? Prometheus is capable of reaching over .5 C and a ha'tak can accellerate at a bare minimum of thirty two kilogravities.

The Terrans in Early Season 5 lack said spacecraft, they don't get the Promethius or the 302s for about a year.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-09-16 11:10am

They have the technology (from the X-301) whether they can implement it or not is questionable, but it's there.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-09-16 10:27pm

Zor wrote:Assuming of corse they could deliver said warhead to the Highguard ship of the Line, as at this point earth cound not hope in hell of hitting something capable of speeds of .3C+.

Also, they are not sociopaths or the type to start a fight for Nothing.

They don't have to shoot it at them dude. All they have to do is put a minefield in orbit. They can't slipstream any respectable distance to the planet without causing quite a bit of damage to the surface. (Which with their high-minded ideals, they wouldn't do anyway because it might hurt innocents.)

Zor wrote:The Terrans in Early Season 5 lack said spacecraft, they don't get the Promethius or the 302s for about a year.

Actually, the X-302 MIGHT be flyable by this time.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-09-16 11:52pm

"Vertigo1" wrote:
Zor wrote:Assuming of corse they could deliver said warhead to the Highguard ship of the Line, as at this point earth cound not hope in hell of hitting something capable of speeds of .3C+.

Also, they are not sociopaths or the type to start a fight for Nothing.
They don't have to shoot it at them dude. All they have to do is put a minefield in orbit. They can't slipstream any respectable distance to the planet without causing quite a bit of damage to the surface. (Which with their high-minded ideals, they wouldn't do anyway because it might hurt innocents.)

MINEFEILD!

You do realise there is a lot of space in space, and if they want to bombard the surface, they could do it from Lunar Orbit. And there is no hope in Hell they could put enough Naquedah mines up there to have a 50/50 chance of hitting ID4 mothership size, let alone a considerably small Highguard ship

But anyway, it is like saying 'The WW-2 british could destroy USS Iowa!', considering that the Highguard are not the type of people to invade a primitive planet with no provocation

Vertigo1 wrote:The Terrans in Early Season 5 lack said spacecraft, they don't get the Promethius or the 302s for about a year.

Actually, the X-302 MIGHT be flyable by this time.[/quote]

Even so, i Doub't it could go up against several HG Slipfighters.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-09-17 05:35am

But anyway, it is like saying 'The WW-2 british could destroy USS Iowa!',

This I find especially Ironic, given that they most certainly could. The USS Iowa is World War Two vintage after all.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2004-09-17 09:08am

NecronLord wrote:
But anyway, it is like saying 'The WW-2 british could destroy USS Iowa!',
This I find especially Ironic, given that they most certainly could. The USS Iowa is World War Two vintage after all.

DON'T QUOTE PICTURES DUMBFUCK

It was more a comment on the Fact that they would not start a fight with Earth.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2004-09-18 05:26pm

A GHC can survive more than 3200 GT and can pump out 800 Gt per missile salvo. Does Stargate have anything that can match that?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-18 05:44pm

Thanas wrote:A GHC can survive more than 3200 GT and can pump out 800 Gt per missile salvo. Does Stargate have anything that can match that?

I'm sorry, did I read that right? SW-level damage absorption by a craft whose primary foe latches onto the hull and thumps through?

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2004-09-18 07:52pm

SirNitram wrote:
Thanas wrote:A GHC can survive more than 3200 GT and can pump out 800 Gt per missile salvo. Does Stargate have anything that can match that?
I'm sorry, did I read that right? SW-level damage absorption by a craft whose primary foe latches onto the hull and thumps through?

stats given from the official site are canon, and take precendence over any stats derived from visuals, so apparently, yes.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-09-18 08:08pm

Matt Huang wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Thanas wrote:A GHC can survive more than 3200 GT and can pump out 800 Gt per missile salvo. Does Stargate have anything that can match that?
I'm sorry, did I read that right? SW-level damage absorption by a craft whose primary foe latches onto the hull and thumps through?
stats given from the official site are canon, and take precendence over any stats derived from visuals, so apparently, yes.

I'm gonna call BS.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-18 08:28pm

Matt Huang wrote:stats given from the official site are canon, and take precendence over any stats derived from visuals, so apparently, yes.

So, instead of taking objective data, we should listen to a website's fluff.

Prove it.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-09-19 01:21am

Well, www.andromedatv.com, www.allsystems.org, and http://www.andromedaascendant.com/ are all official Andromeda sites owned and maintained by Tribune Entertainment. Their info comes from the creators of the universe.

There is also allegedly some statement by the show's creators saying tha visuals should be discarded in favor of dialogue, but I have not seen it, so I cannot comment on it. The info on Tribune's sites are the real deal, though.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-19 01:28am

fgalkin wrote:Well, www.andromedatv.com, www.allsystems.org, and http://www.andromedaascendant.com/ are all official Andromeda sites owned and maintained by Tribune Entertainment. Their info comes from the creators of the universe.

There is also allegedly some statement by the show's creators saying tha visuals should be discarded in favor of dialogue, but I have not seen it, so I cannot comment on it. The info on Tribune's sites are the real deal, though.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

So according to hte show's creators, the Magog are absolutely incapable of harming the Andromeda, let alone peircing her hull so regularly that they can board in large numbers, despite that being exactly what's seen.

I call bullshit.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-09-19 01:34am

Thanas wrote:A GHC can survive more than 3200 GT and can pump out 800 Gt per missile salvo. Does Stargate have anything that can match that?

Yeah right. This is the same universe where the standard offensive weapon is a 20 megaton kinetic warhead, isnt it? And they can last I remember pump out only about 300 of those a second (360 gigatons a minute IIRC "The Prince" correctly.) Strike one against your number wanking.

Furthermore, we know from allsystems.org that the Oracle heavy attack drone (of which a GHC carries 16) used offensively yields at most 1 gigaton tops. If they had weapons more powerful than that in ship to ship combat, there would be no reason whatsoever to use the Oracle as an offensive weapon, period. Strike two against your number wanking.

And IIRC there are several weapons to Andromedaverse ships being damaged by Gigawatt range weapons (Which I believe the Pyrians use, as do others.)

Lastly, we know that in "Mathematics of Tears" it only took TWO kinetic warheads to destroy a GHC. Hardly the teraton+ resistance you claim.

So assuming you are not pulling these numbers out of your ass, where are you pulling these numbers from?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-09-19 01:40am

I'm no expert on Andromeda since I'm not aware of anything after mid season 2 (that's when the show went down the shitter), but from I've seen, Magog ships attach themselves to the hull and burn their way through. Quite different from missiles exploding against the hull.

I've also never seen anything corroborating the insanely high hull resistance numbers given by Thanas, so unless he provides some proof, that stuff is non-canon to me.

Finally, I'm not familiar enough with the capabilities either Andromeda or Stargate, so don't expect me to contribute much, unless its stuff I do know.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

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