Imperial Alarm: Escalation of ridiculousness; we are doomed!

[Jack Lain]

The problem; Sooner or later, the writers of the ST genre are going to invent the super weapon.

We have already seen the super being, multiple times.
And we have seen the temporal impossibilities, numerous times.
But sooner or later, there will be the super uber weapon that we cannot refute.
We can claim it as individual, distinctive technology, lost technology, which does not count in the debate, but we all know it will appear next episode. And if not the next episode, then it will surely be in the episode after next. And suddenly it is lore and canon and has been there all along.

This is unfortunately is what Trek has been reduced to since the death of Gene. GDI!

So, either we look to a new definition of canon, or we SW fanatics (err.. fans) accept that due to an inability to actually write interesting character descriptions and individual character traits, and stories that are interesting - we will be forced to eventually deal with the super weapon which ignores all shields, all armor, all physics & sense and can destroy the Death Star in less than 1 ms.

They are headed in that direction now, they will reach it eventually. Voyager shows this to be the unfortunate route, to which, this once great show has been reduced.

What do we do then? The Trek-no-idiots will finally have their super uber weapon, evidenced by multiple canon events and say & be able to say -See we told you! - all the while ignoring everything that has transpired over the last number of debate years.

SW will lose, not due to any logic, tactical or strategic disability, but instead to a franchise in need to continue bad sci-fi in order to make money.

Eventual loss of SW to ST nonsense and technobabble = inevitable. I give it between 5-to-10 years depending on whether Paramount just drops the whole thing when they realize that Enterprise is simply extremely plain bad.

Our only hope is that Paramount drops all ST series in favor of something even more insipid. Perhaps to continue the episodes of Gilligan's island in space?

A three light year tour?

"Hey little buddy, what you doing? I'm fixing the transphasic array to alert that orbiting Robby the Robot skipper! Wow, how many co-co rocks did that take?"

So, must we then also, escalate in typical cold war fashion, the acceptance of items that are deemed beneath canon now, in order to fight back against the inevitable bullshit? Must we accept bad novels and stories in order to fight back?

What are our options and what the hell are we going to do?

Debate as it stands now:

"Sir, we're picking up some type of anomaly directly ahead."
"On screen Mr. Data."
"Holy shit! Look at the size of that thing!"
"Data, I hardly feel... holy shit!"
"Shields up!"
"Fuck that number one, get us the fuck out of here!"

Debate as it will stand later:

Data said "Captain, after analyzing their attack vector, we can reconfigure our array to send out trans-phasic anti-empire uber pulses. This will wipe them all out at once!"
"Do it data!" said Riker.
Picard replied, "No! We must not do that as this is a first contact situation and we need to negotiate something first and then blow them to shit in the last 5 minutes of the show."
"Ah, I forgot about that." Riker said and sat back down. He turned to Troi,
"So, ah, what are you doing later? After we destroy the Empire that is?"
"Oh... I don't know," She replied.
Riker smiled his typical grin, "How about a blow job now, and we can fuck then?"
"Ok." She replied and read his testicles with her empathic ability to determine whether they could handle what she could return.

-Jack "pessimistic & sarcastic" Lain.

[TheDarkling]

SW already takes everything as useable in a debate so theres no where else to run, that being said a super weapon appearing twice??? that requires continuity and that just aint gonna happen wtith B&B in charge.

[Mr Bean]

400 Post I see Darkling

Oh and we still have the Sun-Crusher

System Destroying Invicible Armor ship thats also Steahly
SW never trouts it out because of a lack of need but its the perfect counter to any Trecky Super-weapon they come up with(Oh and besides you remeber the Enterpize always has to defeat the super-weapon so its gonna have a vunrablity, I do see the ST Hobos Trouting out a super-duper uber weapon that can take anything on anyone throws at it.

[SPOOFE]

But sooner or later, there will be the super uber weapon that we cannot refute.

That's fine. If it takes an ST superweapon to kill a (relatively) common SW ship, I won't lose any sleep.

[Soontir C'boath]

Can't we use Centrepoint station?....It can move planets and collapse stars...if it has that much power it should also destroy that Super Weapon...

And as Mr. Bean said...the main cast of ST always finds a way to destroy super weapons...so just bring in a mole...extract info and there.

Cyaround,
Jason
P.S.- ST computers are not highly encrypted and can be easily sliced.- Reason *for u Trekkies*- in First Contact Data had to input a hardy encryption code instead of having one already into the main computer making it noticably easily accesible if no threat or known threat is around when Data is not there to input it.

Is this relevent? lolz

[SPOOFE]

Hell, ST already has its superweapons... stuff like Time Travel or Q.

The thing is, most people prefer to debate the conventional aspects of their respective universes... that's why we don't see so many "Suncrusher vs. Such-and-such" threads.

[Stravo]

Nah, I just don't see it. Keep in mind the relative power levels of the Fed's enemies. The Brog currenltly occupy the top of the food chain followed closely by the Dominion. If the feds get some super weapon from hell, then these enemies are no longer relevant and B&B will have to develop some new menace and we all know how bad they are with originality, so they will stick to the current set up, slowly up gunning the feds but never with uber weapons.

The ST will eventually get Super weapons and beat SW is alarmist and the offender should be reported to your local Imperial Intelliegence Officer for "reeducation"

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

There were hundereds of episodes, don't you think we've would have seen a superweapon by now?

[Crayz9000]

There were hundereds of episodes, don't you think we've would have seen a superweapon by now?

Genesis device. Soran's trilithium torpedo. The Scorpion's thalaron radiation device. Tricobalt torpedoes (AKA dirty nukes). Species 8472 planet-killing beam weapons. Doomsday device.

I kind of doubt that any of these weapons will re-appear, however. Plans for the Genesis device were lost; Soran is dead; Scorpion is (will be) destroyed; tricobalt torpedoes are useless in small quantities; Species 8472 has retreated; Doomsday device was deactivated.

Face it, the Star Trek writers love one-shot wonders.

[SCVN 2812]

Transphasic torpedos, if a consesus ever occurs on how they work, I personally believe that visual evidence supports phasing through shields and the hull and detonating within- but that's my opinion based on my own observations- I'm not going to try and package it as absolute, unrefutable fact but I think it's as reasonable an explanation as any, could be that weapon.

Unfortunately there are some catches to them:

#1. A ship has to live long enough to fire them.

#2. There is a distinct possibility that Starfleet will choose not to deploy them at all due to the temporal prime directive.

#3. There is a greater possibility that Starfleet will not field them en masse if they decide that common sense in this case overrides temporal concerns, and restrict their use to just a handful per ship or just for a special elite, emergency action task force.

At present, don't look for any other practical use super weapons to appear in Star Trek for at least 3 years (that being the low end figure of when a new Star Trek show possibly not set in a technologicaly restricted era is likely to begin) Although right now really the only practical super weapon in Star Trek's arsenal is the transphasic torpedo (it can be quickly produced in large enough numbers to blow up half a dozen or more cubes, a transwarp conduit ring thingie, and a Borg sphere.) While Star Wars actually doesn't have any practical use superweapons other than their standard armament which, depending on the way their yield is calculated, is often more than enough to do significant damage to MOST Star Trek vessels while the various super weapon stations and ships and other misc. devices in SW or ST are either destroyed or require so much of a devotion of resources to operate it's not really practical to use them in a practical manner.