Federation Post-Endgame weapons

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 08:26pm

Now, about those TPT's, many believe that since they were from the future, Starfleet wouldn't have their ships refitted with them. Not to pollute the timeline. But since Adm. Janeway already brought them back, the timeline has already been polluted. They have probably refitted their ships with them, and the ablative armor technology. Although it is my opinion that, because of their destructive capabilities, each class ship would be given aonly a few number of these torpedoes, to be used in "desperate times call for desperate measures" situations. It is also very possible since some classes are used for some missions more so than others (i.e. Intrepids used for light scouting and scientific research would get maybe 4 TPTs) The more battle ready ships would have more than the scientific and medical ships. (i.e. a medical ship, the USS Pasteur, would get 1 or 2 TPTs, while the soverign class might get 6 or

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Share your thoughts?

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 08:28pm

and for the Star Trek Voyager illeterate (sp?) a TPT is a Transphasic Torpdo, that can destroy an entire vessel in one hit.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-15 08:29pm

Paradox.

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 08:40pm

I hate to sound stupid...........
But how would it be a paradox?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-07-15 08:40pm

Does Star Trek X take place before or after "Endgame"?

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 08:43pm

Star Trek Nemesis takes place after Endgame.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2002-07-15 08:43pm

After, since Picard has to be taking orders from "Admiral" Janeway now.

Needa · Post by **Needa** » 2002-07-15 08:59pm

really? O well

I think I've also heard that Weasley is going to be in Nemesis. It's even more scary if it's the case.

TPT... Well I don't know. Unless Nemesis show us more detail about it, we can't say much. The best hope for Trekkies on this insight should come from a next ST series, set after Voyager.

I would be interested to see how much destructive power they have (with actual statistics). That way the fight Empire VS Federation might be more interesting.

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 09:04pm

Needa, Nemesis might not show anything, because TPT's Might be used in "One more hit and the core's gonna blow" situations. Unless it comes to that in Nemesis, we won't see them, but it doesn't mean that they aren't there.

Still, from what I've seen and heard...If The Enterprise-E has TPTs, they're definately going to need them, come Nemesis.

Rommie

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-15 09:19pm

Those Hobos sure are working hard on the new scripts!

This is a long standing joke BTW for Rommie's benfit the lack of logic is some epsodes seems like they where written by Hobos working for Sandwhichs
Thus the runnning joke

That has been the news of the hour now back to your reguarly schedualed thread

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-15 09:22pm

Mr Bean, It's a shame for a good trekkie to admit it.....but I have a theory that Insurrection was REALLY written by Stoned Hobos....Great minds, eh? hehe

Rommie

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-15 09:38pm

I cant remember endgame well did she have them construct the tech or bring it with her?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-15 10:40pm

Hey, half of all new movie ideas these days come from stoned hobos! Or at east stoned people. Look at all the new Disney movies!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-15 11:19pm

I seriously doubt TPT's are that powerful. If they were, why didn't Kim use them against the Warbirds in Endgame? I think the real key is that they ignore the Borg's precious shields. Since a Cube is just PVC piping without shields, a decent homing torpedo will annihilate them by bypassing shields...

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-15 11:27pm

SirNitram: Yes but that shield bypassing could prove to be a very useful advantage.

Do you know if she brought them from the future or if Voyager manufactured them?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-16 12:01am

TheDarkling wrote:SirNitram: Yes but that shield bypassing could prove to be a very useful advantage.

Do you know if she brought them from the future or if Voyager manufactured them?

I beleive they were replicated from the plans.

As for the shield bypassing, it will against the Borg. But having a torpedo that can't be adapted to means little to a Star Destroyer.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-16 12:15am

There is no evidence that TPTs are any good against anyone but Borg, considering Kim's failure to use them against the Klingons.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-16 01:01am

Actually transphasic might be VERY usefull against SW ships. According to a comment from the producers (which also happens to be backed up from what we see on the actual episode for once) transphasic torpedos are type 6 photon torpedos (artillery torpedo with 200 isoton yield- roughly 4 times more powerful than a quantum torpedo) modified so that they are able to pass through shields and hulls and detonate inside the target rather than on the target's hull or shields. This actually does explain how 1 torpedo can destroy a Cube and the slight delay between the torpedo visually hitting the cube and from then on not being visible and detonating. This actually turns enemy hull strength against them as the thicker the hull armor the more of the blast that is contained within the ship.

Kim's failure to use them against the Klingons can be explained in a couple different ways:

1. He didn't even have transphasics, not suprising since he was in command of a Nova-class starship, which is primarily a science roled ship rather than a dual mission exploration/defense ship like most ships in starfleet. Kim's ship did not possess the ablative hull armor projectors either, which lends further support to this since it seems obvious that Starfleet didn't intend for the Nova-class to see combat.

2. The Federation/Klingon alliance persists and the Federation developed a counter measure to the torpedos and shared it with the Klingons.

3. Kim didn't want to destroy the Klingon ships as destroying two Klingon battleships (by this time they would probably be downgraded to battlecruisers but that's a different debate) would probably not improve Klingon-Federation relations.

The ablative hull armor is not particularly useful as it appears to interfere with shield projection (Voyager nor Janeway's shuttle raised shields while their armor was deployed- why leave another layer of defense unused if it's availible?) and, depending upon the conductivity of the ablative armor, could make ships using it vulnerable to ion cannons.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-16 01:07am

Thats what I could remember - thats why I said the shield bypass would be useful - the word phase usually implies that it is out of phase (trek for passes through stuff) and thuswould be useful indeed.

I maybe wrong however since I havent watched the episode in a while.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-16 01:21am

Of course a Fed ship just has to live long enough to actually fire a torpedo which could be a problem.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-07-16 02:33am

I'm not sure how effective they would really be considering that ST and SW shields work differently.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-16 02:55am

Antediluvian: For the purpose of comparison we assume they work the same until we see otherwise else you get peole saying that transporters go past Imp shields and so on.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-07-16 03:06am

TheDarkling wrote:Antediluvian: For the purpose of comparison we assume they work the same until we see otherwise else you get peole saying that transporters go past Imp shields and so on.

Maybe I should have said they work somewhat differently, as they seem to destroy physical objects on contact, for example, unlike ST shielding.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-07-16 03:23am

TheDarkling wrote:Antediluvian: For the purpose of comparison we assume they work the same until we see otherwise else you get peole saying that transporters go past Imp shields and so on.

We assume they display the same characteristics. That is another thing than working the same.
That means, SW shields will be able to block phasers, torps and transporters, while ST shields will be able to block TL bolts (at least in theory - a 500 megaton shield can't stop 200 gt).

However, if we look at the name of the transphasic torpedo, it will probably be able to penetrate shields with that transphasic thing.
Now he penetrates ST shields, but still interacts with real materials (ship hulls).
And we know a way how to penetrate ST shields: Adapt to the frequency of the shields.
If we assume the transphasic torp works that way (if you've got a better explanation for it, just say it), then it won't be able to penetrate SW shields since they don't rely on frequency modulation.

Romulan_nemesis · Post by **Romulan_nemesis** » 2002-07-16 10:02am

She brought one of the TPTs to voyager and had them study it and create more.

The Armor technology was totally Voyager manufactured, as seen in the one shot where they are installing it. That tiny shuttle couldn't hold that many.

And if Kim used TPTs on the Klingon ships, wouldn't he would start a full scale war? Or at least seriously damage their not-too-friendly relations with the Klingons. And the 'All Good Things' (TNG) episode already portrayed the newfound might and power of the Klingon Empire. And his ship was probably powerful enough to beat them. An upgraded Nova class (the Rhode Island) is supposedly as powerful as a Soverign class.

However it is purely speculation, since no cannon sources say that; Only reference books do.