Fed dune buggy vs speeder bike

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 02:06pm

Darkstar's page about the Federation's new dune buggy got me thinking about this.

The Fed vehicle performs similarly to modern types and has a phaser mount in the back. Armor is nonexistant

The speeder bike is faster, has less armor, and a blaster in front.

They meet in the following terrains:

Desert
Forest
Coral atoll
Rugged mountains

Who wins each battle?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-12 02:13pm

Desert: Speeder bike takes buggy head on to avoid phaser cannon. Blasts the crap outta it.

Forest: Fed buggy is to large to move at high speeds in forest, and remains slow, if not stationary. Speeder comes from any angle and strafes the crap outta it.

Corral atoll: What the heck is that???

Rugged Mountains: I'll assume the Fed buggy can navigate this. Due to the rough terrain, the speeder bike cannot approach head-on, and takes to the back. Speeder is more than agile enough to avoid the phaser fire, but the large target the buggy presents cannot avoid fire, and is turned into a smoking pile of rubble in 2-5 shots, at the most.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-12 02:13pm

Speeder-Bike
Speeder Bike
Speeder-Bike
The Dune-Buggy sinks before it can be shot
The Buggy Flips over and expcerances a Warp Core Breach

Considering the Speeder-Bike by SW Numbers can go anywhere from, two feet to roughly two-thousand(Corran Horn's is on a Speeder Bike chased by other speed Bikes Chasing him through Courscant, Wedge's Gamble) the Dune Buggy, Is quite dead

Considering the Speeder-Bike has the regular Cannon plus the Troopers hand held blaster and the Fact the Buggy only has a weapon on the back....

He could just pull along side and shoot them If they speed up to bring the rear cannon around he has roughly twice as much accerlation and much more top-speed then they do

Nasty one way Win for th Empire

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 02:30pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:.

Corral atoll: What the heck is that???

A coral atoll is a ring of small islands made of coral. The Federation vehicle would be confined to just one of the islands while the speeder went wherever it pleased. I included this terrain just to be cruel.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-12 02:35pm

If the only weapon on the Dune Buggy is that aft gunnery station, the Speeder bike ought to win every engagement.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 02:46pm

To make this scenario a little more interesting, I'm giving everyone their hand weapons too. Scout trooper gets his blaster, federation driver and passengers get hand phasers.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-12 02:50pm

Raxmei wrote:To make this scenario a little more interesting, I'm giving everyone their hand weapons too. Scout trooper gets his blaster, federation driver and passengers get hand phasers.

Well that would be most interesting watching the drivers side by side trying to shoot eachother but missing badly because driving and shooting at the same time is a very bad idea. However this does give a slight advantage to the Dune Buggy because if the Dune Buggy were to approach the speeder from the passenger side, the Dune Buggy passenger is free to fire (and most likely miss every 9 out of 10 shots) at the Speeder.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-12 03:10pm

The Driver is in position to be firing as he's busy driving a ground vechical and in three of the five enviroments that would be certian death as they sink/Flip over/Run into a Tree

So that leaves the "Gunner" juggling two weapons and ordering the driver to *Run away so that he acutal has a shot at the Speeder Bike
Remeber the Bike has roughly a sixty-mile an hour speed advanatage on that Dune Buggy...

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 03:19pm

The buggy can carry more people than just the driver and gunner. There is still the passenger sitting next to the driver who is free to shoot. That helps even up the odds, if only a little.

This isn't really relevent to the debate, but I only provided four environments, not five. If you wish to suggest a fifth, I'm open to suggestions.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-12 03:26pm

Miscount on my part, Make the Fifth,

Hmm Underground parking garage?

Least that gives the Feddies some advanatage.

Consider the huge panneles on the side of the Drivers Comparment that while act as armor also get in the way of any passager side shooting you might try, unless you stand up to shoot over it and in that thing

I can already seeing the Red-Shirt trying that

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-12 03:27pm

Unless the buggy has a lot of people on it, like 6-7, all with pulse fire rifles, they don’t stand much of a chance.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 04:31pm

I'm looking at a picture of the buggy right now. A passenger would have a limited fire arc to the fron and side. I don't have a good view; does this thing have a windshield? If not, he can also shoot straight ahead.

A fact which hasn't been pointed out yet, the buggy runs on wheels that are in actual physical contact with the ground. That will produce quite a bit of shaking on all but the smoothest terrain. All that jarring would make it difficult to shoot properly.

Indoor parking garage- not much room to maneuver, flat driving surface. The federation gunners would be able to aim better and the speeder hasn't much room to dodge. The federation might actually have half a chance here.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-12 04:39pm

The passenger cannot fire anything too large to be used with one hand, anyway. Remember that Data is forced to brace himself (while in the passenger seat), by grabbing onto the support bar. Clearly the passenger is made impotent while the vehicle is moving, because he would not be able to use that hand to manipulate a weapon. BTW, Data steadies himself with his outside hand. His inside hand is damn near worthless, anyway, for firing a weapon. Regardless of the firing arc, an armed passenger would be of extremely limited utility since he could only be able to fire in that arc if the vehicle was stationary--a bad thing in vehicular warfare.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 05:02pm

Is there any way at all to make this thing battle worthy? This scenario is starting to look like a complete mismatch.

Any input at all is welcome, even from rabid trekkies.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-12 05:05pm

Sure maybe Three on one

Its kinda hard its like Pitting say a Gundum aginst a Foot-Soilder, Sure its not that unbalanced but you have to give one side alot of advantages before it becomes valid aurgment

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-12 05:10pm

This is difficult because the speeder bike is clearly designed for combat troops in scouting/picket roles. The Fed Dunebuggy appears to be designed to make exploration more easy in hostile environments. It doesn't do that job very well, but the fact that it isn't even really a fighting vehicle makes the match up kind of one-sided. Only large numerical superiority or a bizarre tactical situation would allow the Federation POS to win against speeder bikes.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-12 05:29pm

Ah, so no matter what Darkstar says, the Federation still has no ground combat vehicles.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-08-13 03:58am

Raxmei wrote:Is there any way at all to make this thing battle worthy? This scenario is starting to look like a complete mismatch.

Any input at all is welcome, even from rabid trekkies.

How about a nice flat grassy plain?

Anyway, the dune buggy is screwed in every enviroment you posted. The bike will outmaneuver and outspeed the buggy with ease.

Plus it's more versatile, being able to go over any terrain.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-13 04:12am

Is the outcome affected by moving to a grassy plain? I thought it would be similar to the desert.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-08-13 11:26am

I'm pretty sure the speeder would win in every environment. It's faster, more maneuverable, and has a greater range. Unless the Federation Jeep frame has a shield of some sort, the speeder bike would kill the driver, and render it useless.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-13 01:45pm

That Federation piece of crap isn't even close to a dedicated combat vehicle. Where the hell did DarkStar say that? I didn't even think he was that stupid, though having been to his website I would no longer put much past him.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-13 01:56pm

Darkstar didn't directly call it a dedicated ground combat vehicle. He only said it was a dedicated ground vehicle. Since that was on his ground combat page, it could be interpreted to mean that.

Has anyone else noticed that his ground combat page blatantly ignores canon? The AOTC novelisation says the dropships have shields and Darkstar simply dismisses it! He actually says they don't have shields in the very same paragraph in which he brings up the canon evidence that they do.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-13 03:24pm

Raxmei wrote:Darkstar didn't directly call it a dedicated ground combat vehicle. He only said it was a dedicated ground vehicle. Since that was on his ground combat page, it could be interpreted to mean that.

Has anyone else noticed that his ground combat page blatantly ignores canon? The AOTC novelisation says the dropships have shields and Darkstar simply dismisses it! He actually says they don't have shields in the very same paragraph in which he brings up the canon evidence that they do.

Of course we noticed that his ground combat page blatantly ignores canon. He ignores canon constantly during debates, and then ignores Burden of Proof. Every one of his pages I have looked at contains at least one serious error, and many of them several. He blatantly disregards canon on nearly all of his pages, while simultaneously protesting that "rabid Warsies" are dishonest and merely seek to insult people.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-13 06:56pm

1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the speeder bike's blaster swivel as well?
2. Grassy plains are actually bumpier than a desert.
3. Repulsor means that for the most part, speeder bike will have a soother ride, allowing the scout trooper to shoot more accurately.
4. Feddies can't hit an ISD if they tried.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-13 07:07pm

5.Fed vehicles are about as survivable as a Ford Pinto.