AOTC, so what if yu're out of missiles? you got lasers!

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-08-09 09:16pm

In AOTC anakin wants to shoot down Dooku, but the pilot says they're out of missiles, so what? they got two laser cannons and two composite turrets left!

And not Anakin, Obi-Wan or Padmé pointed that out.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-09 09:37pm

Six actualy, four ball turrets and the nose guns. They also did not fire on the attacking fighters.

Given how big the missile magazines are on a gunship, they must have had some very heavy combat to expend them all, it may be they also ran out of ammo/power for the lasers.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-09 09:38pm

This was a question of mine as well. Why they are unable to use their laser cannons is beyond me. Perhaps they were out of range for their lasers. Dooku does after all have time to go in to his docking zone and order a droid to do something before Obi-Wan and Anakin even show up.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-09 11:46pm

Now, if I were George Lucas (which I'm not), I would have had the scene play out like this:

Obi Wan: There's Dooku!

Clone Trooper: Shall I shoot him down?

Anakin: No! We want him alive!

And the gunship follows Dooku, dodging fire from the fighters, shooting back every now and then.

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2002-08-10 12:00am

Nah have Dooku throw some sort of cuncussion grenade or something that damages the Gunship forcing them to have to chase him down, another alternative is force lightning. GL does a lot of illogical things in his movies, like why didn't DV just destroy the Tantive IV, if he knew the plans were on the ship, and they had enough fire power, and The Emperor had disolved the Senate, who would care. Just blow the thing out of the sky, screw searching the damn thing, The empire probably kept the Corvette anyway.

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2002-08-10 12:01am

Sky = Space.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-10 01:15am

countdooku wrote:Nah have Dooku throw some sort of cuncussion grenade or something that damages the Gunship forcing them to have to chase him down, another alternative is force lightning. GL does a lot of illogical things in his movies, like why didn't DV just destroy the Tantive IV, if he knew the plans were on the ship, and they had enough fire power, and The Emperor had disolved the Senate, who would care. Just blow the thing out of the sky, screw searching the damn thing, The empire probably kept the Corvette anyway.

Because, they could not be sure of it. If the plans were in fact not onboard then they would know to keep searching. If they were, then they lost perhapes a few dozen Stormtroopers.

When your uber weapon of doom is on the line, you do not take chances. Vader at least seemed to know that, Tarkin did not..

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2002-08-10 01:59am

Vader stated multiple times that he knew for sure that the Death Star Plans were on the ship It would of been best to blow it to space dust instead of searching for a few computer files. He knew the rebels wouldn't give away the information if they weren't on the ship nor where their secret base was, so destroying it was a viable option. They were going to kill Leia anyway. Heck if they blow up the Tantive IV then blow up Alderaan, the rebels can't just hide forever. Vader and the Empire would of found them no matter what.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2002-08-10 03:28am

Maybe they weren't confident in their lasers' ability to hit a small, fast target like Dooku's speeder, and wanted to use missiles because they can lock on.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-10 07:46am

Acutal I thought..

What kind of Missles do the gunships carry?

Because if thier Concussion....
Think about it this way if they where, And Jedi can create telekenic-shields

See where I'm going with this?

If they are concussion missles then Mr Dooku would see it coming generate the shield to protect himself and as a side effect get that bike shot out from underneath him and he now has to run away

instead of being able to fly to his escape ship(And they are trying to prevent him from running)

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-10 06:14pm

In the canon AOTC novel, the pilot states that they are out of 'ordinance,' not missiles, IIRC. Hope that clarifies things.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-10 10:31pm

Doomriser wrote:In the canon AOTC novel, the pilot states that they are out of 'ordinance,' not missiles, IIRC. Hope that clarifies things.

Ordinance? What is ordinance?

MagicHateBall · Post by **MagicHateBall** » 2002-08-10 10:47pm

Ammo.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2002-08-11 12:13am

Doomriser wrote:In the canon AOTC novel, the pilot states that they are out of 'ordinance,' not missiles, IIRC. Hope that clarifies things.

The novelization is below the actual movie, in which they say they're out of rockets.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-08-11 01:34am

Damn, people on this board read my damn mind. I was going to suggest that about the AOTC thing

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-08-11 02:21am

Maybe Anakin had predicted his future as a Sith already, figured out Dooku's connections to Palpatine and already had become a supporter of Palpatine?

Subnormal · Post by **Subnormal** » 2002-08-11 02:26am

wasn't it not Anakin that suggested blasting him out of the sky, and also why didn't the Gunship fire back at Dooku's escort droid ships. They let them get behind them then don't fire back with the turrets, Im glad they got blown up after Ani and OBi landed they are morons.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-08-11 03:04am

countdooku wrote:wasn't it not Anakin that suggested blasting him out of the sky, and also why didn't the Gunship fire back at Dooku's escort droid ships. They let them get behind them then don't fire back with the turrets, Im glad they got blown up after Ani and OBi landed they are morons.

If they were out of ammunition, then firing back is not exactly possibul now is it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-08-11 10:59am

If you watch closesly during the shots of Obi-Wan and Anakin in the personnel area, you'll notice at least one of the ball turrets with those mini DS lasers (coooool) have been shot out.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-08-11 12:25pm

You could always count the Rockets as a blooper as in ROTJ Imperial Rank badges and use the Novelisation as canon.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-11 04:04pm

Jim Raynor wrote:
Doomriser wrote:In the canon AOTC novel, the pilot states that they are out of 'ordinance,' not missiles, IIRC. Hope that clarifies things.
The novelization is below the actual movie, in which they say they're out of rockets.

True, but the novel is very high canon and makes more sense. In this case, it might be better to accept the novel explanation, since it is actually more consistent with canon. (The novel recognizes that gunships have weapons other than rockets. Hell, the canon novel quote itself was probably a retrocontinuity fix and should be taken as such)

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-08-11 05:50pm

I was thinking that the pinpoint turrets were out of operation, and the ball turrets (5 gigajoules/shot, ICS) weren't strong and/or accurate enough, so they were concerned about running out of missiles.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-11 07:16pm

I think the forward (5 GJ) guns in front were strong enough to kill a speeder bike! As far as accuracy, the bike wasn't manuvering, and them lasers are pretty fast ya hear!

Maybe when sombody gets a hold of the script we can see what it actually said, and if it complies wiht the novel, then maybe to canon lesser canon sources override a greater one *shrugs*?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-08-11 10:39pm

You guys are forgetting that Count Dooku is a Dark Lord of the Sith. As such, he'll be able to dodge your shots almost before you fire.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-08-11 11:29pm

Maybe when sombody gets a hold of the script we can see what it actually said, and if it complies wiht the novel, then maybe to canon lesser canon sources override a greater one *shrugs*?

No, it's not a senate.

Yoshi brings up a good point. Dooku would be able to predict the shots.