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Lugar: US violated ''basic national security precepts''

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Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN) gave a speech today on the floor of the Senate. The text can be found here (I refrain from reposting because it's fucking long). A few highlights:
In my judgment, our course in Iraq has lost contact with our vital national security interests in the Middle East and beyond. Our continuing absorption with military activities in Iraq is limiting our diplomatic assertiveness there and elsewhere in the world. The prospects that the current “surge” strategy will succeed in the way originally envisioned by the President are very limited within the short period framed by our own domestic political debate.
In my judgment, the costs and risks of continuing down the current path outweigh the potential benefits that might be achieved. Persisting indefinitely with the surge strategy will delay policy adjustments that have a better chance of protecting our vital interests over the long term.
We have the worst of both worlds in Iraq – factional leaders who don’t believe in our pluralist vision for their country and smaller sub-factions who are pursuing violence on their own regardless of any accommodations by more moderate fellow sectarians. As David Brooks recently observed in the New York Times, the fragmentation in Iraq has become so prevalent that Iraq may not even be able to carry out a traditional civil war among cohesive factions.
American strategy must adjust to the reality that sectarian factionalism will not abate anytime soon and probably cannot be controlled from the top.
The window during which we can continue to employ American troops in Iraqi neighborhoods without damaging our military strength or our ability to respond to other national security priorities is closing. Some observers may argue that we cannot put a price on securing Iraq and that our military readiness is not threatened. But this is a naive assessment of our national security resources.
I am not implying that debate on Iraq is bad. I am suggesting what most Senate observers understand intuitively: little nuance or bipartisanship will be possible if the Iraq debate plays out during a contentious national election that will determine control of the White House and Congress.

In short, our political timeline will not support a rational course adjustment in Iraq, unless such an adjustment is initiated very soon.
In my judgment, the current surge strategy is not an effective means of protecting these [vital national security] interests. Its prospects for success are too dependent on the actions of others who do not share our agenda. It relies on military power to achieve goals that it cannot achieve. It distances allies that we will need for any regional diplomatic effort. Its failure, without a careful transition to a back-up policy would intensify our loss of credibility. It uses tremendous amounts of resources that cannot be employed in other ways to secure our objectives. And it lacks domestic support that is necessary to sustain a policy of this type.
The United States has violated some basic national security precepts during our military engagement in Iraq. We have overestimated what the military can achieve, we have set goals that are unrealistic, and we have inadequately factored in the broader regional consequences of our actions. Perhaps most critically, our focus on Iraq has diverted us from opportunities to change the world in directions that strengthen our national security.
If we are to seize opportunities to preserve these interests, the Administration and Congress must suspend what has become almost knee-jerk political combat over Iraq. Those who offer constructive criticism of the surge strategy are not defeatists, any more than those who warn against a precipitous withdrawal are militarists. We need to move Iraq policy beyond the politics of the moment and re-establish a broad consensus on the role of the United States in the Middle East. If we do that, the United States has the diplomatic influence and economic and military power to strengthen mutually beneficial policies that could enhance security and prosperity throughout the region.
It's good to see Lugar, who is a top Republican and head of the Foreign Relations Committee, speaking out against the retarded surge strategy. Even the big rats are jumping ship from the Bush Adminsitration. It seems like he's implicitly advocating a cautious withdrawal beginning now and ending next year, which is not as quickly as I'd like out, but it's better than Bush's "we'll be in Iraq for ten years".
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Surlethe wrote:
It's good to see Lugar, who is a top Republican and head of the Foreign Relations Committee, speaking out against the retarded surge strategy. Even the big rats are jumping ship from the Bush Adminsitration. It seems like he's implicitly advocating a cautious withdrawal beginning now and ending next year, which is not as quickly as I'd like out, but it's better than Bush's "we'll be in Iraq for ten years".
As no plans have been made for an evacuation, it would be physically impossible for that evacuation to be completed in any shorter time-frame than around 10 months from the beginning of planning. We'd have to complete plans, pre-position assets, and then systematically withdrawal, dismantling our infrastructure there while at the same time collecting all of the extensive amount of equipment in the country and moving it out to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands, and also to prevent the waste of rather precious and expensive materiale. This process would have to be completed in stages many units remaining until nearly the end, and providing security for the remainder of the evacuation.

Because of the President's refusal to allow for contingency planning for a withdrawal, that whole process from the commencement of planning to the last soldiers leaving is something which will take very close to a year, no matter who does it. Since Bush will not budge on the matter, since congress cannot force the troops out, since any measure rescinding the authorization of force would be fought all the way to the supreme court, I still maintain that the earliest we will see an American withdrawal from Iraq is November or December of 2009, i.e., slightly more than ten months after the new president takes office.
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Events such as this give me hope. The flimsy veil of 9/11 has faded, the initial surge of Patriotism has worn off - and with both, the scales over the American peoples' eyes.

I'm being a bit idealistic, but I'm hoping.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Because of the President's refusal to allow for contingency planning for a withdrawal, that whole process from the commencement of planning to the last soldiers leaving is something which will take very close to a year, no matter who does it.
I did not know that Bush refused to permit contingency planning for withdrawal. That's ten kinds of arrogant fucked up. I'd simply assumed that the military automatically draws up all sorts of contingency plans, and would have a set ready to whip out if Congress said, "Get the fuck out of there" that would accelerate the process to four or five months. Rather naive of me, in retrospect.
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Congress can't say 'get the fuck out of there', only the president can. Congress can say 'we won't pay for you to do anything but get the fuck out of there', which for any president but Bush would be about the same thing. But for Bush, it really isn't the same thing at all.
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drachefly wrote:Congress can't say 'get the fuck out of there', only the president can. Congress can say 'we won't pay for you to do anything but get the fuck out of there', which for any president but Bush would be about the same thing. But for Bush, it really isn't the same thing at all.
Congress should be able to say "get the fuck out of there." The Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to declare war; as far as I know, it still resides with them.
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Surlethe wrote:
drachefly wrote:Congress can't say 'get the fuck out of there', only the president can. Congress can say 'we won't pay for you to do anything but get the fuck out of there', which for any president but Bush would be about the same thing. But for Bush, it really isn't the same thing at all.
Congress should be able to say "get the fuck out of there." The Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to declare war; as far as I know, it still resides with them.
They may have the power to declare war, and to ratify treaties; but do they specifically have the power to order the president to end a war?
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Lord Zentei wrote:They may have the power to declare war, and to ratify treaties; but do they specifically have the power to order the president to end a war?
I would think that the ability to declare war goes hand-in-hand with the ability to end a war, whether or not the president wants the war to end.
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Surlethe wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:They may have the power to declare war, and to ratify treaties; but do they specifically have the power to order the president to end a war?
I would think that the ability to declare war goes hand-in-hand with the ability to end a war, whether or not the president wants the war to end.
One might think that, but it does not neccesarily follow. If Congress has given the president such and such an authority they needn't have the power to arbitrarily revoke it at any time. As for instance, the president apoints members of the Supreme Court, but does not have the power to remove them.

As another example, in Roman times, the Senate could apoint a Dictator for a period of 6 months to handle national emergencies, but they could not simply revoke the title as easily (AFAIK).

Hence I wonder whether the Congress actually has a lawful process to force a president to end a war. It's like the Founding Fathers assumed that anyone in power would want a war to end if they could help it; or the alternative didn't occour to them.
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Surlethe wrote:Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN) gave a speech today on the floor of the Senate. The text can be found here (I refrain from reposting because it's fucking long). A few highlights:
Senator Lugar's thesis is "our political timeline will not support a rational course adjustment in Iraq, unless such an adjustment is initiated very soon," prefaced by a very long statement that boils down to "Iraqi security and politics will not improve in the short term" and abutted by something that essentially says "it's not our fault...the GOP tried, but the rest of the country and the world doesn't have the stomach for it...so let's move on."
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Congress can certainly repeal the public law which authorised Mr. Bush's War, in which case the entire matter falls back under the aegis of the War Powers Act and its built-in limitations on the use of force without legislative approval. The president's warmaking powers are by no means absolute, and Republikan efforts to argue that Congress would be usurping the proper course of constitutional authority is nothing but rank sophistry if not outright dishonesty.
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