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The Vice President's Office isn't part of the Executive.....

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....according to Dick Cheney.

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Cheney claims a non-executive privilege
He asserts he's exempt from showing an agency how his office keeps secrets because he's not fully part of the administration.
By Josh Meyer, Times Staff Writer
June 22, 2007

WASHINGTON — For the last four years, Vice President Dick Cheney has made the controversial claim that his office is not fully part of the Bush administration in order to exempt it from a presidential order regulating federal agencies' handling of classified national security information, officials said Thursday.

Cheney has held that his office is not fully part of the executive branch of government despite the continued objections of the National Archives, which says his office's failure to demonstrate that it has proper security safeguards in place could jeopardize the government's top secrets.

According to documents released Thursday by a House committee, Cheney's staff has blocked efforts by the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office to enforce a key component of the presidential order: a mandatory on-site inspection of the vice president's office. At least one of those inspections would have come at a particularly delicate time — when Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and other aides were under criminal investigation for their suspected roles in leaking the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

In an eight-page letter to Cheney on Thursday, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Los Angeles) also charged that Cheney or his top staffers tried to abolish the Information Security Oversight Office this year after its director tried repeatedly to force Cheney's office to comply with the presidential order.

Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride confirmed the vice president's position Thursday but said she could not discuss the matter in detail, including whether Cheney or his aides tried to abolish the information security office. "We are confident that we are conducting this office properly under the law," McBride said.

Some legal scholars and government secrecy experts noted the irony in Cheney's stance that his office is not fully part of the executive branch, given his claims of executive privilege when refusing to provide information requested by Congress.

Cheney's office has also refused to file required reports with the National Archives elaborating how much national security information was being classified and declassified, which was first reported by the Chicago Tribune last year.

Documents released Thursday offer new details about the intensifying dispute between the office of the vice president and the National Archives. The archives has appealed to Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales to intervene but has not received a response.

President Bush amended an existing executive order regarding classified information in 2003 to address post-Sept. 11 concerns that sensitive data were being mishandled.

Cheney's staff filed annual reports with the National Archives in 2001 and 2002, as required of all federal agencies that handle national security matters. But it hasn't filed any of the reports since 2003, when Bush's order established a uniform, government-wide system for safeguarding classified national security information to ensure it is not accidentally released or leaked for political gain.

Waxman and others criticized Cheney and his staff, saying their refusal to comply with the presidential order could endanger national security.

"To my knowledge, this was the first time in the nearly 30-year history of the Information Security Oversight Office that a request for access to conduct a security inspection was denied by a White House office," Waxman wrote to Cheney.

What's more, the congressman said, it suggests that the vice president considers himself above the law — even when the directive in question was created by his own boss, Bush.

"This is a very dangerous position he is taking and a ridiculous one, but it is a quite serious one," Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said in an interview.

"I don't know if he is covering something up or not, but … when somebody refuses to make this information available, you wonder what they don't want the inspectors from the National Archives to know."

A frequent critic of the Bush administration, Waxman also asked Cheney how the vice president's office could claim, as it has in correspondence he cited in his letter, that it was not "an entity within the executive branch."

One Cheney staffer familiar with the matter said Thursday that the vice president has not complied with the order because his office has dual functions: It is part of the executive branch — the Bush administration — but also part of the legislative branch, given Cheney's position as president of the Senate.

As such, the vice president's office has no legal obligation to abide by the order because it only applies to the executive branch, said the Cheney staffer, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the inner workings of the office and requested anonymity.

Cheney's position is articulated in the 2004 edition of an annual government directory of senior officials known as the Plum Book:

"The vice presidency is a unique office that is neither a part of the executive branch nor a part of the legislative branch, but is attached by the Constitution to the latter. The vice presidency performs functions in both the legislative branch … and in the executive branch."
I've seen a few very good ideas on how Congress should deal with this bullshit.

1. Since he's not part of the Executive, he should get the exact same benefits that a Senate Leader would get.
In other words, he loses his government housing, the extensive staff, and has the same security clearances as Harry Reid.
He'd have to find his own housing, have a limited budget to pay staff like any other Senator, and probably have to walk out of half the briefings he attends now because of insufficient security clearances. :D

2. Simply defund his office because of the failure to follow the law.

And I saw this photochopped pic that captures his attitude perfectly.


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That's all assuming Congress grows a pair of balls.
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Because the Vice President's only actual constitutional function while not acting as President is as President of the Senate, this could almost certainly go all the way to the Supreme Court if they wanted to make a big deal out of it.
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What lunacy. It's the vice PRESIDENT. Even a moron can easily see that the vice pres. would be classified along with the rest of the executive branch; the very title Cheney holds reflects this.
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Tanasinn wrote:What lunacy. It's the vice PRESIDENT. Even a moron can easily see that the vice pres. would be classified along with the rest of the executive branch; the very title Cheney holds reflects this.
No, it is not lunacy, because the only power given to the Vice President is as President of the Senate, the man who presides over the Senate, and therefore, is the head of one part of the Legislative branch.

Worse yet, the Constitution originally intended for the Vice President to be the person who got the second most electoral votes, so the Vice President, even though in practice he never runs a separate campaign, actually continues to legally do so and hold power entirely separately from the President--if that provision hadn't been changed, then Al Gore would be Vice President through January 2005, and currently John Kerry would be.

When it was changed, however, no other changes were made to the office of Vice President. What that effectively means, my friend, is that an office integrally linked to the Presidency in the modern world, in constitutional terms may in fact have legitimate grounds to nonetheless be classified as a part of the legislative branch.

I know it's as stupid as fuck, and perhaps an "activist" court would rule that it was an invalid classification because of the evolution of the position, but he has a strong constructionist argument, and guess who's in charge of SCOTUS right now? Strict constructionists.
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Lea Anne McBride wrote:We are confident that we are conducting this office properly under the law,
Because not everything you've done is illegal, right?

That said, if his office is part of the Legislative Branch, then shouldn't Congress make certain that Cheney behaves like he's part of the Legislative Branch and not the Executive Branch?
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LA Times Article wrote:"The vice presidency is a unique office that is neither a part of the executive branch nor a part of the legislative branch, but is attached by the Constitution to the latter. The vice presidency performs functions in both the legislative branch … and in the executive branch."
It seems to me that the 'solution' is that when he functions purely in a Legislative capacity, the law doesn't apply.
However when he functions as part of the Executive, it damn well should apply, especially when he claims 'Executive Privilege'

The SOB is trying to have the benefits of being considered both part of the Legislative and the Executive, without having any of the responsibilities attached to either branch.

A poster over on the Volokh.com legal blog put it best:
"His position lacks good faith because it seems to shift ground at his convenience, one minute avoiding executive rules because he's the President of the Senate, the next minute avoiding legislative rules on the claim that he's part of the Executive Branch."

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Dick Cheney would've made a great movie villain actually. Too bad he's real.
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I would very much so like to see a return of the original Vice Presidency. The runner up is the second in charge of the Executive. Especially if the Vice President actually had some power to oppose the President if he's being a Dick (or a Bush?). I'm thinking Roman Consuls...

In regards to Cheney's latest bullshit: :x I've been rendered inarticulate on the matter.
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