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Reid, if at first you don't succeed...

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Reid to unveil anti-terror plans

Home Secretary John Reid
Mr Reid wants to get cross-party consensus

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Home Secretary John Reid is to reveal new anti-terrorism measures which he hopes to win cross-party agreement on.

They may include another attempt to extend the 28-day limit on holding suspects without charge - and allowing questioning after someone is charged.

Other ideas may include a review into whether intercept evidence should be allowed to be used in court.

There is speculation that a register of terrorists may be proposed. But "stop and question" powers may be dropped.

The three-page document, to be released later on Thursday, will be for discussion rather than a white paper or a draft bill because, Mr Reid said, he wants cross-party support before announcing more concrete measures.


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Detention without charge beyond 28 days
Questioning after charge
Allowing intercept information in court
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"I'm sure that of the range of measures that I'll introduce today, there will be many on which, given the recognition of the level of the threat, that there will in fact be cross-party support," he told BBC's Breakfast.

"On other ones, where there'll be more controversial views, and wider views, I'm hoping that the process I'm introducing, which is slightly different from what I've done before, will maximise the degree of support that we get."

Moves scuppered

Mr Reid came under fire in May after three more suspects on control orders absconded.

And he has blamed courts and opposition parties for scuppering previous moves to get tougher laws.

Attempts to extend the period for which suspects can be held to 90 days ended in Prime Minister Tony Blair's first Commons defeat in 2005.

Chancellor Gordon Brown, who will succeed Mr Blair within weeks, has said he wants to look again at extending the current 28-day limit.

Intercept evidence

The government's independent reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation, Lib Dem peer Lord Carlile, reiterated his support for extending detention without charge beyond 28 days.


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"I can imagine that there may well come to be cases - and I'm not saying that there have been any yet - in which the need to protect evidence, to discover what the evidence is, to de-encrypt computers, to find people may not be achieved within 28 days.

"At last we're having a proper consultation on this," he said on BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Next week, MPs will debate an amendment to a bill, approved by the House of Lords, which would allow telephone intercept evidence to be used in court.

And it is thought Mr Reid will say that he is to ask a committee of Privy councillors to review the issue.

Lord Carlile said it was appropriate to allow telephone intercept evidence in court, but warned that it was "not a cure-all".

"Having seen a lot of closed information, it is my opinion that intercept evidence might be useful in a small number of terrorism cases. It could prove very useful in relation to other very serious crimes and should be available for that too."

He also supported a register of convicted terrorists, similar to the existing register for sex offenders, describing it as a "sensible" proposal.

British liberties

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said his party would co-operate with the other parties, but "not at any cost".

He insisted that maintaining a balance between "customary British liberties" and the new measures was essential and said he would not back an extension of the 28-day detention period.

"There is simply no evidence that it has been needed," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

BBC Home Affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the Liberal Democrats were concerned that announcing a privy council review could be a way of kicking the issue into the long grass.

The privy council is an advisory body made up of past and present members of the government.

Conservative Patrick Mercer, who used to be the party's homeland security spokesman, said he was concerned about extending detention.

"We coped with Nazism, we coped with the cold war, we coped with Irish republicanism with seven days detention. That was all.

"Then we went to 14 days, now we've got 28 days. If these people are innocent, when they are released they will become the most powerful public relations, black propaganda - call it what you like - recruiting tool for our enemies. That really, really concerns me."

There has already been criticism of reported proposals to allow police to stop and question anyone in the UK about their identity and movements - similar to those in Northern Ireland - amid concerns about civil liberties.
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Good to see that Brown is as much of a totalitarian bastard as Blair was.

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This is so, so wrong.

This will allow the police to hold people for 90 days even though they don't have enough evidence against the suspect to even charge them with an offence.

The "safeguard" supposedly in place is that a judge regularly reviews the case for detention. However, the suspect has no representation when he does - only the police's side of the story is given.

That's 3 months of your life taken away purely on the say so of the police. That's potentially your job gone, your house gone, your reputation gone - this is far too powerful a weapon for the police to have.

This is supposed to be the fucking Labour party in power. :twisted:
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...Is one of his eyebrows upside down?. Let's face it lads, Reid's going to be out of that department in approximately twenty odd days. Perhaps, then, we will get someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

Or possibly we should just go and throw eggs at some senior civil servants, since ye' know, they're the evil buggers who actually come up with this stuff. Except we can't because we'd be nicked...

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then, we will get someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Competency! at the home office! :shock: what country are you living in?

Anyway from what I hear Straw is favourite for the home office under Brown.
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Jack "Squinty Eye" Straw?! Bloody hellfire...
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Dartzap wrote:Jack "Squinty Eye" Straw?! Bloody hellfire...
IIRC wasn't he Foreign Secretary when the danish cartoon shit happened and condemned them for not not backing down? I have this vague memory of someone bitching he only did it because a muslim group in the UK tried to have him voted out in the previous election.
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