Torso Found in Washed up Suitcase...

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-05-31 01:04pm

A woman's severed torso has been found in a water logged suitcase at Mamaroneck, Westchester County. Wow, it's like something from a HBO series or a movie with Joe Pesci and Christian Slater in it:

Clothes may help ID body
Dismembered victim washed up along tony shoreline of L.I. Sound
BY ALISON GENDAR
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF
Friday, May 25th 2007, 12:53 PM

A cherry tattoo didn't help identify a woman whose partial remains washed up on the shore of a billionaire's Long Island estate.
Maybe her red, blood-soaked camisole will.

The Mamaroneck Police Department has teamed up with "America's Most Wanted" to try to identify a heavyset woman who was murdered, dismembered and her remains thrown into New York waterways - and catch the butcher who did it.

The first remains surfaced March 3 when a suitcase containing a decapitated female torso and some clothing floated onto a beach in Mamaroneck in Westchester County. On March 27, a Long Island fisherman discovered a severed right leg among the rocks of Cold Spring Harbor.

The next day, a landscaper found a severed left leg that had washed ashore near the Long Island Sound estate of billionaire James Dolan.
DNA tests have shown the remains all belong to the same Hispanic or light-skinned black woman.

Cops say her body had been in the suitcase at least a week before it was discovered. Torrential rains likely scattered the remains.

The black bag was an InGear Protege suitcase sold only at Wal-Mart. In the suitcase were a pair of purple Champion sweatpants; a white long-sleeve T-shirt made by Voice and a red camisole with a Spanish label.

Scraps of paper found inside appeared to be torn from a calendar, with the word "cinco" and the phrase "begin to live."

Anyone with information about the victim is asked to call (800) CRIME-TV. All calls are kept confidential.

I also heard about a similar case that's still very recent, where a crazy husband hid his wife's torso in a plastic case in the garage...

Spearfish · Post by **Spearfish** » 2007-05-31 02:00pm

I always wonder... is counselling ever offered for the unfortunate person who actually finds these kind of butchered remains? Many, if not most people would be somewhat traumitised if they found a decapitated, legless torso while walking along the beach, or were out walking their dog and stumblked across a mutilated body under a bush. It's not exactly a pleasant suprise.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2007-05-31 03:00pm

Spearfish wrote:I always wonder... is counselling ever offered for the unfortunate person who actually finds these kind of butchered remains? Many, if not most people would be somewhat traumitised if they found a decapitated, legless torso while walking along the beach, or were out walking their dog and stumblked across a mutilated body under a bush. It's not exactly a pleasant suprise.

It's sometimes offered, but you do eventually get over it. My dog jumped off a deck and hung herself in her collar, and I found her. It took me about a month to be able to think about what happened without tearing up, but you do get over it eventually. I suspect, too, that not having an emotional attachment to the torso helps keep one's distance from the horror of the event.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-06-01 08:49am

Forget about the ordinary bystanders who come across bodies or pieces of bodies, what about the forensic people, coroners and police who deal with this shit on a weekly or daily basis? And the police must have tremendous patience when dealing with baby killers, serial killers and other psychos without killing them there and then...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-06-01 12:35pm

Big Orange wrote:Forget about the ordinary bystanders who come across bodies or pieces of bodies, what about the forensic people, coroners and police who deal with this shit on a weekly or daily basis? And the police must have tremendous patience when dealing with baby killers, serial killers and other psychos without killing them there and then...

did you hear about the Serial Killer whose a big tony bennet fan?
He left the heart in san francisco.

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2007-06-02 04:11am

Found 3 boddies in my profesional career. You just kind of have to deal with it. It's sad, but in more of an abstract way.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-06-06 07:39am

Zed Snardbody wrote:Found 3 boddies in my profesional career. You just kind of have to deal with it. It's sad, but in more of an abstract way.

How is a corpse sad in a abstract way? Although a torso or other unidentified body part is abstract since you do not really know the victim, just see a bit of meat or bone...

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2007-06-06 07:44am

Big Orange wrote:How is a corpse sad in a abstract way? Although a torso or other unidentified body part is abstract since you do not really know the victim, just see a bit of meat or bone...

I can see his point. Earlier in my enlisted life I pulled two bodies from the water. Had some weird dreams about it and even wrote a short story about the first one. Other than that, you remember that it's just part of life and move on.

Mrs Kendall · Post by **Mrs Kendall** » 2007-06-06 08:15am

Or you remember it for the rest of your life and occasionally have nightmares about it cause you have PTSD.
Not everyone reacts the same way and I believe counselling should be offered right away no matter who finds the body.

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2007-06-06 08:59am

Big Orange wrote:
Zed Snardbody wrote:Found 3 boddies in my profesional career. You just kind of have to deal with it. It's sad, but in more of an abstract way.
How is a corpse sad in a abstract way? Although a torso or other unidentified body part is abstract since you do not really know the victim, just see a bit of meat or bone...

It sad in that you know that this is a person, that is done living. That people will cry about, and even if you don't know them, you know what its going to be like for other people when they find out.

I'm not sad about this person or that person, I'm not greiving for them. But I know that one life in the world is over now, that this person wont see or hear or tste or smell again, that makes me sad. Thats what I mean by abstract.

Its not an easy thing, the smell for one. I found how it looked even more disturbing. A dead person just doesn't look right. Even when there is no external trauma, they just don't look right. It nags at you, like looking at a picture and knowing its crooked but your not certain, but you are. Even natural causes, death is not easy or subtle. It makes itself known. Its a complicated poorly designed machine, its a car dropping its drive train doing 70, its not suble or dignified, and its magnified 10 fold for every second that passes. I was the second person in after he'd been left alone for a week.

I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to find someone I knew and cared about, to see them in that state.

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2007-06-06 12:32pm

Big Orange wrote:Forget about the ordinary bystanders who come across bodies or pieces of bodies, what about the forensic people, coroners and police who deal with this shit on a weekly or daily basis? And the police must have tremendous patience when dealing with baby killers, serial killers and other psychos without killing them there and then...

I don't know about those professions, but I do know that at least in Connecticut, counselors are brought on scene for the EMT's when there is a particularly severe incident, such as a gruesome car wreck.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-06-08 09:47am

Zed Snardbody wrote: I'm not sad about this person or that person, I'm not greiving for them. But I know that one life in the world is over now, that this person wont see or hear or tste or smell again, that makes me sad. Thats what I mean by abstract.

I think it is less abstract if a more or less intact dead body is recognisable as an ex-person than a bit of puply meat, skin and bone on the side (which by definition is more abstract).

Its not an easy thing, the smell for one.

A body rapidly decays due to immune system permanently shutting down and trillions of microbes already residing in said body going to work, breaking down and consuming the organic matter.

Even natural causes, death is not easy or subtle. It makes itself known. Its a complicated poorly designed machine, its a car dropping its drive train doing 70, its not suble or dignified, and its magnified 10 fold for every second that passes.

I've properly seen a dead human before but I've seen pleanty of animal roadkill in my time and even the poor things that are not tire crushed or bumper bludgeoned beyond recognition do look right either.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2007-06-08 03:12pm

A friend of mine tried being a Coroner's Assistant; the dead woman who had been lying for weeks in a well air conditioned apartment lent him to seek other employmet...it had, in his words, "partially melted" into the shag carpet, and spilled the internal organs all over their feet when they tried to pick it up.

Most horrifying thing I've ever watched in my life was a coroner's slide show that a friend of a friend "obtained" and showed at a party. I've mentioned it several times since joining SDN, no picture I've seen on Rotten.com has come close to overall experience of it, or the worst cases of decomposition in it.
I can still see the blisters of purple, yellow, and red liquid all over the glistening corpse of a guy who apparently had a heart attack while jacking off, and the maggotts packed in his enlarged asshole.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2007-06-08 03:19pm

Frank Hipper wrote:I can still see the blisters of purple, yellow, and red liquid all over the glistening corpse of a guy who apparently had a heart attack while jacking off, and the maggotts packed in his enlarged asshole.

Well then. Who's up for some elbow macaroni?

My wife has a degree in Biology, and as a field trip for one of the classes, she got to view a couple of autopsies. I may be able to joke about gross stuff, but I know I'd get freaked the fuck out if I actually saw it.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2007-06-08 04:35pm

The most disturbing thing I've ever been party to was my buddy getting fried by electricty at my accident site in the military. It literally cooked him like a hot dog. But the worst part of it wasn't the sight of his body but the smell. Picture boiling a full package of hotdogs untill the water is gone and then burning them to the bottom of the pot until there charred, then multiply that smell by a hundred. That smell will be with me until the day I die.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-06-08 10:37pm

yeah, that's what my stepdad says about the friends of his killed by incindiary bombs by the NVA.

well the only dead folks I've seen were in class, and I'm one of those guys that cracks jokes while dealing with the baby pigs, & the frogs, just to releave the stress i'm feeling, much less another human.