A better Enterprise

[Kamakazie Sith]

Neither is the Star Trek Technical Manual, Star Trek Encyclopedia, or any other reference books. so I guess I can't use those either

You can, but it needs to reflect information given from the episodes or movies.

I've ran into several trekkies that would not eccept things from these references

What I mean is if it didn't happen in an episode or movie than it doesn't count.

In other words, if the Encyclopedia states that the USS Bullyourheadoff was destroyed at Wolf359 then an episode or movie must support this.

[Master of Ossus]

Most of the time if the Encyclopedia says something, it is supported in an episode. All of the ships that they said were destroyed in Wolf 359 can be seen as debris from the battle when the Enterprise stops by a little late for the party.

[Doomriser]

ex-astris-scientia has conducted a study of the wrecks from Wolf 359

The funny-looking 4-nacelled ship that is shown a few pages back is an Excelsior study-model from ST:III.

"Fan descriptions of Okuda's slide show Back in the early 90's Michael Okuda showed slides of several of the BoBW ships on a convention. Since then a couple of common descriptions for the these ships have been established and widely accepted, although the episode itself and more or less blurry screencaps from it are still the only distributed references so far. This is what has been commonly stated about the ship classes at Wolf 359, allegedly based on what Mike Okuda presented:

Rigel "A Galaxy-class saucer, attached directly to a Constitution engineering section (no connecting dorsal). Three Galaxy-style warp nacelles; the first two are about where you'd expect, the third is attached directly below the shuttlecraft bay."

Freedom "Take the connecting dorsal from a Constitution-class ship. On one end, put a Galaxy-class (-ish) saucer. On the other end, put one Galaxy-class warp nacelle. That's it; no engineering section."

Challenger like the Constitution class, but the two nacelles are Constellation style and attached to the top read end of the saucer."
New Orleans "Again, a scaled-down Galaxy saucer (meaning it was made from an Enterprise kit, but with a larger bridge and larger windows, intended to imply a smaller ship). Two nacelles on pylons above the center axis of the ship. I think this was my favorite of the Miarecki study models. At Dan Curry's suggestion, I added two or three 'outboard pods' to the ship in an effort to make it look a little less Enterprise-like. The photos in the Encyclopedia are all photos of the study model, retouched to add lights in the windows. I took the photos just before starting the battle damage work."

Cheyenne "This was a scaled-down Galaxy saucer with four nacelles, arranged in a manner similar to the Constellation. Ed made the nacelles from marker pens."

Challenger "A scaled-down Galaxy-shaped saucer, and two warp nacelles, one above and the other below the engineering hull". - "The Buran was the above-and-below model that I had thought was the Chekov. I don't recall what Ed's original version of the Buran was, but I added the submarine parts and glued on the engines, although it looks like Ed assembled the engines. I thought it was a clever idea, but it ended up looking like a lollipop. Maybe Ed's version was a single nacelle, and I added the second."

Rigel "I don't think we ever came up with a ship design specifically tied to that name. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm not remembering correctly. I don't have my notes here at the moment)."

Freedom "Upon reflection, I think this may have been something that Greg Jein came up with for one of the kitbashes he contributed to either BOBW or
Unification. I'm not sure which model this was, and I'm not at all confident that Fact Files checked with anyone."

Springfield "The Chekov was built by Ed, based on the small Ent-D model saucer, with two nacelles and marker pen engines."

Melbourne "The original version of the Nebula. Ed made us two nearly-identical Melbourne models. I destroyed one of them to create a battle-damaged ship for BoBW2. (I recall being up in the art department one evening, Dremel tool in hand, cutting up the ship, while Patrick Stewart, in Borg costume, came upstairs to use the Xerox machine. He asked me what I was doing. I showed him the model and said something like, 'See what you did!') Rick Sternbach helped with the battle damage, too. And Greg Jein contributed quite a bit of wreckage as well. The other Nebula model ended up on one of the side tables in Sisko's office in DS9. I think it was label 'Melbourne', too."

There was even a Constitution-class wreckage at Wolf 359!

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm

I hope this helps answer questions from previous pages.

[spongyblue]

anyway back to the topic, improvements. How about SEATBELTS. That save a couple red shirts lives. And get rid of all those damn windows. I never seen a military vehicle besides transports(and thats only some planes not all) with so many damn windows.

[Darth Yoshi]

A marvel of technology called the electrical cable. There's no need for the plasma powered Console of Death(TM) when electricity works just as well.

[RayCav of ASVS]

I recall being up in the art department one evening, Dremel tool in hand, cutting up the ship, while Patrick Stewart, in Borg costume, came upstairs to use the Xerox machine.

Anybody wanna bet he was trying to Xerox his Borg-ified ass?

[Isolder74]

thanks for the help guys

[Graeme Dice]

anyway back to the topic, improvements. How about SEATBELTS. That save a couple red shirts lives. And get rid of all those damn windows. I never seen a military vehicle besides transports(and thats only some planes not all) with so many damn windows.

Kirk's chair in ST:TMP had arms that looked to act as seatbelts.

[Isolder74]

the addition of entiromental suits for people in engineering so that some minor technical problems doesn't make it so that the ship can not be repaired. the Problem with the Enterprise in generations was the Plasma coolent leak that stoped all work on the warp core causing them to stop working on it.

[NecronLord]

the addition of entiromental suits for people in engineering so that some minor technical problems doesn't make it so that the ship can not be repaired. the Problem with the Enterprise in generations was the Plasma coolent leak that stoped all work on the warp core causing them to stop working on it.

They had them in the TMP Era, I think

[Master of Ossus]

They would need to improve sickbay, too. First thing is to fire Dr. Crusher and get someone competent. Second thing is to improve the EMH, and the third thing is to get better treatments instead of diagnostic equipment. They always seemed to be diagnosing something but they were never able to cure it.

[Admiral Griffith]

Ah the infamous warp core breach. It is rather odd how we always hear about "Captain the anti-matter is phasing the something in the something and due to the something we have to eject the core or else it will suffer a breach". Not to go off topic here but isnt it interesting how the computer systems for all ST ships are centralized? It seems like it is only one computer that runs the whole ship...can we say not safe? I for one would like a redundancy contingency factor if I was to be on a ship like that but hey thats me.

actually, the manual for the E-D says it has two computer cores, but i think only one runs at a time.

[Cpt_Frank]

So you have 1 computers which controlls all the functions of the ship, and a backup system. Sounds still like over-centralisation to me.

[Romulan_nemesis]

Is it my imagination or was the Enterprise from the Movies 1-6 a hell of a lot better than the Enterprise D??I mean look at WOK the Enterprise and Reliant boith ripped each other up with phasers and phototorps but not one warp core crisis.. look at Enterprise D it blew up after one hit from a torp.in ST6 Ent A took MULTIPLE hits any comments?

This was probably already answered, but, THe E-D in Generations was being hit by weapons that could bypass their shields. The E-A in ST6: TUC, HAD shields. See kiddies, sometimes listening to the technobabble actually makes sense

Rommie

[Isolder74]

Is it my imagination or was the Enterprise from the Movies 1-6 a hell of a lot better than the Enterprise D??I mean look at WOK the Enterprise and Reliant boith ripped each other up with phasers and phototorps but not one warp core crisis.. look at Enterprise D it blew up after one hit from a torp.in ST6 Ent A took MULTIPLE hits any comments?

This was probably already answered, but, THe E-D in Generations was being hit by weapons that could bypass their shields. The E-A in ST6: TUC, HAD shields. See kiddies, sometimes listening to the technobabble actually makes sense

Rommie

And the Enterprise should not have even been in danger of it in the first place! Georti was in the hands of an enemy and all they do is give him a medical exam to see if he was physically ok. Lets see, the Romulons onced used The VISER to remote control Georti. To quote Scotty "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." So why didn't they check Georti for bugs! I'm and electronics Major and finding such devices is not too hard since it obviously was transmitting from the moment he beamed on board! And The Fed's also used a similer equiptment to do roughly the same thing. And for such an importaint device, where is his spare so they can check the one he beamed over with so he can keep working.

[Typhonis 1]

IN ST 6 the Enterprise A was having holes punched through her by photon torpedoes but still no core breach.In fact they even showed one happening onscreen. and yes In WOK they had special suits the guys in engineering wore that could support an air mask .

[Kamakazie Sith]

Is it my imagination or was the Enterprise from the Movies 1-6 a hell of a lot better than the Enterprise D??I mean look at WOK the Enterprise and Reliant boith ripped each other up with phasers and phototorps but not one warp core crisis.. look at Enterprise D it blew up after one hit from a torp.in ST6 Ent A took MULTIPLE hits any comments?

This was probably already answered, but, THe E-D in Generations was being hit by weapons that could bypass their shields. The E-A in ST6: TUC, HAD shields. See kiddies, sometimes listening to the technobabble actually makes sense

Rommie

And the Enterprise should not have even been in danger of it in the first place! Georti was in the hands of an enemy and all they do is give him a medical exam to see if he was physically ok. Lets see, the Romulons onced used The VISER to remote control Georti. To quote Scotty "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." So why didn't they check Georti for bugs! I'm and electronics Major and finding such devices is not too hard since it obviously was transmitting from the moment he beamed on board! And The Fed's also used a similer equiptment to do roughly the same thing. And for such an importaint device, where is his spare so they can check the one he beamed over with so he can keep working.

Perhaps it was designed to hide from such scans. IIRC the transporter also scans for foreign objects.

[Isolder74]

This was probably already answered, but, THe E-D in Generations was being hit by weapons that could bypass their shields. The E-A in ST6: TUC, HAD shields. See kiddies, sometimes listening to the technobabble actually makes sense

Rommie

And the Enterprise should not have even been in danger of it in the first place! Georti was in the hands of an enemy and all they do is give him a medical exam to see if he was physically ok. Lets see, the Romulons onced used The VISER to remote control Georti. To quote Scotty "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." So why didn't they check Georti for bugs! I'm and electronics Major and finding such devices is not too hard since it obviously was transmitting from the moment he beamed on board! And The Fed's also used a similer equiptment to do roughly the same thing. And for such an importaint device, where is his spare so they can check the one he beamed over with so he can keep working.

Perhaps it was designed to hide from such scans. IIRC the transporter also scans for foreign objects.

1 the Klingons Beamed Georti over not the Enterprise

2 you utterly sidestep the point! This Is Not The First Time Someone Has Used The VISER To Do such A Thing! Federation security sucks to Quote Scotty again "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

[Kamakazie Sith]

And the Enterprise should not have even been in danger of it in the first place! Georti was in the hands of an enemy and all they do is give him a medical exam to see if he was physically ok. Lets see, the Romulons onced used The VISER to remote control Georti. To quote Scotty "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." So why didn't they check Georti for bugs! I'm and electronics Major and finding such devices is not too hard since it obviously was transmitting from the moment he beamed on board! And The Fed's also used a similer equiptment to do roughly the same thing. And for such an importaint device, where is his spare so they can check the one he beamed over with so he can keep working.

Perhaps it was designed to hide from such scans. IIRC the transporter also scans for foreign objects.

1 the Klingons Beamed Georti over not the Enterprise

2 you utterly sidestep the point! This Is Not The First Time Someone Has Used The VISER To Do such A Thing! Federation security sucks to Quote Scotty again "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

No, I didn't side step your point. I was pointing out why they might have not checked....because the transporter scans the body.

He arrived on the E-D transporter pads, which indicates the possibility of him being scanned.

Not trying to say your wrong.....just adding something. Calm down.

[Isolder74]

Perhaps it was designed to hide from such scans. IIRC the transporter also scans for foreign objects.

1 the Klingons Beamed Georti over not the Enterprise

2 you utterly sidestep the point! This Is Not The First Time Someone Has Used The VISER To Do such A Thing! Federation security sucks to Quote Scotty again "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

No, I didn't side step your point. I was pointing out why they might have not checked....because the transporter scans the body.

He arrived on the E-D transporter pads, which indicates the possibility of him being scanned.

Not trying to say your wrong.....just adding something. Calm down.

sorry you didn't make that clear

[Isolder74]

now that i think about the reason they gave geordi those new internal artificial eyes may be to ensure this will never happen again