The Asgard and the Ori (and a few Ancients)

[PunkMaister]

The thing is... The universe is a big place. Pinning down where the Orii are, could be difficult. I mean, just look how far I have them away in my fanfic.

Ok I made a search and could not find any fanfic that had to do with the Orii whatsoever, so I give, if this fanfic really exists where is it?

[CaptJodan]

The Jaffa firing the wave against the Ori ship knew it was on the ground and sure as hell couldn't gurantee that they WOULD catch the ship without its shields down.

Let me get this straight. They planned an entire operation to capture an Ori ship with the likelihood that it's shields might still be up? And they would get in...how? By blasting it with their staff weapons?

If they knew the ship was on the ground, why wouldn't they know if the shield was up? If they had boots on the ground as spies, then they sacrificed those spies (who might have information on when the shield is up and down anyway). If they had a cloaked cargo ship in orbit, they could scan the ship and find out. They knew the shields were down, through whoever or whatever told them that the ship was there in the first place. Otherwise their very goal of capturing it would have been moot.

Two Priors who have personal shields which can be activated at a split seconds notice (because of COURSE they wouldn't activate them with a massive wave of energy heading for them).

And you have proof of this? The Priors couldn't possibly be surprised, or have no clue what the wave was when it hit them? And we saw shields flare up when the wave hit, right? Nope.

Doesn't mean their shields will work against it, but you just randomly claim it will not stop the wavefront without even seeing them try to defend against the wavefront.

For the record, I don't absoloutly think there is 100% proof of the Dakara wave being able to pass straight through Ori shields, but the evidence is very clearly pointing that way both in terms of past behavour of the wave and fact that Adira clearly considered the weapon a deadly threat she had to deal with instantly, the fact that Priors couldn't defend against it anymore then the people on the planet and so on.

There are more reasons than the weapon being just a threat to her and her immediate people at stake here. Besides the fact that their limited Ori troops would be dispatched to certain worlds, and thus would be targets (they only have 4 ships so far...or three by this episode), the weapon was taking out the people they had converted to their cause. That's just as big a threat to the Ori, as they're there to spread Origin. Kill all the people they spread Origin to, and it kind of defeats their purpose.

Bla bla bla ending in....So try READING next time what I said.

What you say you posted I put in quotes, so I did read it. Two types of shielding shown to block the weapon. This means such shielding exists (thereby casting some doubt on "all ship shields useless, rar" theory.) It also means (combined with other episodes on Ori shielding), in relation to the OP, that regardless of whether the shields are ineffective now or later, that modifying Ori shields to be protected if they are not, is likely an easy task, thus making Alyeska's plan not as useful as he seems to think it is.

I'll apologize for the harsh tone, but not for the lack of evidence displayed. Until we see concrete evidence (not likely with Dakara destroyed, I suspect) of an Ori shield being useless against a weapon like Dakara, the question will remain open as to how effective it would be.

An Aside
IF these weapons are so easy to use in "Kill all life" mode, the SGC would have done well to issue such weapons to all gate personnel who think they might be encountering a Prior (or if they feel killing off living beings in this manner would be helpful). After all, we just saw Sheppard walk away with several such weapons created for anti-replicator duty, so we know they exist.

[CaptJodan]

Actualy they were able to withstand a bare minimum of at least 2-3 hits.

It should be noted that on the first hit to the Odyssey, Marks (or whatever his name is) reports the shields are down to 50%. He then orders redirection of power to the engines for evasives, basically meaning he didn't redirect any to shields to reinforce them.

We also see the first hit to the Korolev, and then we see the Ori shoot two beams at once at her, the first being absorbed, and the second punching through completely, destroying the ship.

Two to three seems to be about the maximum amount. The "rocking" could be just about anything, but most likely is the smaller Ori weaponry pelting the shields.

[NecronLord]

The thing is... The universe is a big place. Pinning down where the Orii are, could be difficult. I mean, just look how far I have them away in my fanfic.

Ok I made a search and could not find any fanfic that had to do with the Orii whatsoever, so I give, if this fanfic really exists where is it?

Here I had ESO 548-63 as the Orii galaxy, some eighty five million light years away. It's just an example, mind, but there's no telling where the Orii might be...

[Crown]

This is funny;

'The Dakara weapon can by-pass all shields ... except for the shields shielding the control room of the Dakara weapon ... oh and the shield worn around some very hot chicks neck ... but yeah, apart from those they will be an instant hit agains Ori ships!'


Guys, the fact that both times the weapon was used against an Ori ship, the ship's shields were convienently down should tell you something.

Oh Grow up. We have OBSERVED it passing RIGHT THROUGH all known shielding be it Goa'uld, Asgard, Replicators, Prior shields... The ONLY shields we know resisted it were:

1. The custom shield Adira wears which is heavily implied to be uber Ori Tech built specificaly for her.
2. The actual mountain that that weapon is situated in, built by the people who BUILT the weapon itself.

THATS IT.

So what you're saying is that there are shields which can stop the Dakara weapon!

And what's your point? You're not suggesting that the fucking Ori couldn't design shields to stop it even after used once? Hello, ding-dong they already have idiot; Adria's personal shield!

My god, the Dakara weapon was built by the Ancients, all signs point that the Ori are just as advance, ergo now that they are aware of the fucking threat they are more than likely able to design shields that stop it.

There isn't any evidence AT ALL that the Ori ship shields would be any more effective in blocking the wavefront then anyone ELSES shields would be.

Except for the fact that Ori tech seems to be leaps and bounds ahead of any of the threats arrayed against them, you might have a point.

The fact that the Jaffa opened fire on the Ori ship above Dakara even with its shields up implies they had no dobuts about it rather then saying 'Uh, we're screwed guys, their shield is up...'.

"Your people are too primitive and backward to design such an effective weapon."

Don't be a dick. Yes, the weapon might by pass an Ori ship's shield, but there's no evidence to say with certainty that it will. Get it?

[PunkMaister]

The thing is... The universe is a big place. Pinning down where the Orii are, could be difficult. I mean, just look how far I have them away in my fanfic.

Ok I made a search and could not find any fanfic that had to do with the Orii whatsoever, so I give, if this fanfic really exists where is it?

Here I had ESO 548-63 as the Orii galaxy, some eighty five million light years away. It's just an example, mind, but there's no telling where the Orii might be...

Thx, my the Undiscovered galaxy is one of my favorite fanfics outhere! I never thought that you would add something about the lightbulbs though! Excellent, keep up the good work!