I'm saying Data was wrong. Just as you've said Spock was wrong about the Doomsday machine's neutronium hull, and that everyone on the E-A said they were going to the center of the galaxy and promptly went somewhere else. Then everyone got to this somewhere else, and kept saying they were at the center of the galaxy even though they all knew they weren't.Darth Wong wrote:And this compares poorly to your alternate theory of "I'm just going to ignore the figures" how?Metrion Cascade wrote:This is hilarious. I'm talking to Darth Seinfeld. So any weapons fire at all causes an IDF malfunction that somehow results in spontaneous motion that wasn't caused by the weapon, and isn't coming from the engines? (I know it's not from the engines, because in some cases the ship is stationary, and if it's moving then the IDF already synchronized all internal motion with the ship's velocity.)
I realize it's great fun to think this, but you're simply stating this highly inconsistent theory without trying to explain any of the inconsistencies:Everything on the E-D is connected. It's a shitty design.Every single time the ship is hit by any weapon? With such relatively tiny amounts of energy? And why the hell are the two even connected?
A very weak weapon causes a malfunction, but far more powerful ones never cause worse malfunctions or permanent damage to the IDF.
An IDF failure somehow causes sudden motion that wasn't caused by the weapon, and isn't caused by the engines.
Nobody questions the design or tries to fix it.
The simpler explanation is that the IDF isn't designed to compensate for work done by anything other than the engines, and that beam weapons do work.
Why do you have to explain these? Because despite your statement that you didn't design the GCS, you're trying to design it (to an extent the writers didn't) with your argument. When you say "it's all interconnected," you are proposing a design flaw.
Actually, since none of these systems exist and their workings have barely been designed at all, you can interpret their behavior to mean various things as to its theoretical design. I don't know how a lightsabre works and neither does anyone (or they'd build one), but I can extrapolate how it would work based on what I see it do. Which is precisely what you ARE doing, just with your anti-GCS slant.Because I didn't design the fucking thing. A bunch of idiots did.Why wouldn't the feedback go into a less essential system or one purpose-designed to prevent this? Why doesn't the malfunction last more than a second, and why doesn't it ever seem to get anyone's attention?
If it's precisely dick (and accurate), then how does it cause the same malfunction as every single other weapon in the universe regardless of output? Why can the IDF handle enough energy to work on every gram of the 4,960,000 ton ship when going to warp, but not handle 2.1 MJ (precisely dick) of feedback - the equivalent of the work done in moving .0156% of the same mass a single FOOT? You call my questions smart-assed but make no attempt to answer them despite the fact that your laughable wanking of Starfleet incompetence mandates them being asked. No. 2.1 MJ didn't rock the ship. Nor did they cause an IDF malfunction. Why? Because the number is wrong. It doesn't make any sense even if by some miraculous stretch you're right about the IDF malfunction.Then you obviously can't do math. 2.1MJ of kinetic energy in a 4.5 million ton ship is precisely dick. Do the fucking math before you spout off your simple-minded smart-ass remarks. The only workable explanation comes from the ship's systems themselves screwing up.We hardly ever (if at all) hear, "the inertial dampers took a beating, so let's look at them before we go to warp or change course or speed." If what you're saying is true, any weapons fire at all is reason to hold one's velocity - no course changes, no changes in speed - until the problem is investigated and repaired. I do consider the rocking an effect of how the shields work (they absorb what they can into the ship's EPS and the rest is transferred to the hull as work), but not an IDF malfunction that occurs at the drop of a hat.
That's your assumption, which in this case you haven't even tried to back up. You "didn't design the goddamned thing" and refuse to try to explain your proposed malfunction (and hence your proposed design), but will defend it anyway.Yes, and the designers are morons who did interconnect every goddamned system on the ship.A design mistake that bad would be akin to wiring the antimatter containment straight to the shields.
And how does this feedback (which bears explanation since it's a far more complex proposition than mine) always cause the same "hiccup?" And why don't you try to explain how this "hiccup" causes sudden work on the ship to appear out of thin air?Who said the ID system had to be damaged? I'm just talking about power system feedback which makes it hiccup.It would actually make the shields such a liability that I'd rather have the bad guys hit the ship itself. At least then the IDF won't be the very first system damaged every single time we're hit.
How is it damaging to try and (instead of just reflecting the energy) absorb some of it into systems designed to handle large amounts of energy?Yet your alternate theory is that the shield is deliberately designed to handle incoming energy in the most damaging conceivable wayIt also bears repeating that this is assuming the figure was correct, which I don't assume even though this is very amusing.