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Leaving aside your opinions of the show, in general terms (including aesthetic, functionality, technical and so forth) do you like the design of Star Trek Enterprise's titular ship?
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^This is from the guy that created the original CGI design of the Akiraprise, he spent four months working his arse off to get it to look like it eventually did, at every step of the way TPTB nixed every alteration or refinement that would have made it look more like a precursor to the TOS Enterprise.Doug Drexler wrote: But there was more… we had a basic configuration for another ship that was very close to the 1701, although still too futuristic to my mind. Apparently someone walked into Mr. Berman’s office and said, “Cool! It looks just like Kirk’s ship!”, and that was the end of that. That was a real beating. “Use the Akira!” came the order. They really thought no one would notice.
As far as the basic configuration of the Akira, that was a mandate. As a matter of fact, we were told to just plain use the Akira for the NX. How would that have been? Our private art department mandate was to twist it as much as we could to the TOS Enterprise, whether they liked it or not.
Actually the NX has little similar with the Akira apart from superficial details, you can thank the design team for that since the orginal directive was to use the Akira as it was in TNG era with all the TNG design elements as for why the Akira it seems at least according to Doung Dexler that B&B thought no-one would notice because it a fan favorite design and had to be told how strict trek fans are about these things.Darth Nostril wrote:It's the Akira plain and simple, not even a new design.
Lord Revan wrote:Actually the NX has little similar with the Akira apart from superficial details, you can thank the design team for that since the orginal directive was to use the Akira as it was in TNG era with all the TNG design elements as for why the Akira it seems at least according to Doung Dexler that B&B thought no-one would notice because it a fan favorite design and had to be told how strict trek fans are about these things.Darth Nostril wrote:It's the Akira plain and simple, not even a new design.
Then he should bloody know the NX is not identical to the Akira similar yes but not identical. In fact one of the problems have with STO NX is that they added the 24th century style escape pods making the NX less unique.Crazedwraith wrote:Lord Revan wrote:Actually the NX has little similar with the Akira apart from superficial details, you can thank the design team for that since the orginal directive was to use the Akira as it was in TNG era with all the TNG design elements as for why the Akira it seems at least according to Doung Dexler that B&B thought no-one would notice because it a fan favorite design and had to be told how strict trek fans are about these things.Darth Nostril wrote:It's the Akira plain and simple, not even a new design.
Um... Darth Nostril knows all that. He actually quoted what the designer said about it.
Aside from the quote in this thread from a designer saying that's exactly what they did.Lord Revan wrote:to add because the edit deadline.
I can see why people don't like the design as is, but calling it a reskin is a disservice to the design team as it implies a level of laziness that's is not evident in the design itself if one looks more then 1 sec and goes "it looks sort of like the Akira therefore they must copied it 100%", neither the NX or the Akira aren't exactly the best look Starfleet ships out there but then few if any can beat movie Connie or the Galaxy class for me.
Was there an actual point anywhere in your incoherent ranting?Lord Revan wrote: waffle
That's pretty much it, the waste of DNA called Berman had no respect at all for TOS. Which is how we ended up with the Akiraprise, Duchess Archer, zoo in the sickbay and that fucking dog.Knife wrote: The NX is more of a prequel ship for TNG as if B&B wanted to forget the TOS and replace it with ENT. Stylistically it has pretty much nothing to do with TOS, which it is closest to in time.
*SIGH!* I wouldn't mind if you called it lazy redesign or even a lazy retooling as those allow for the changes in the actually CGI model rather then just the skin and are accurate depiction of what happend. A reskin would leave the bridge on the bottom (remember the Akira had bridge in the normal location) and engineering hull on the top, now tell me WHERE IS THAT ENGINEERING HULL ON THE NX?! if it's not there then it's not a reskin as the unlying model was changed not just the skin and I the fact that NX saucer is flipped upside down compared to the Akira, I'm not saying it's not a lazy design you moron I'm saying it's not just a reskin as too much has changed from the Akira to call it a mere reskin but it's clear you utterly incapable of seeing things so I'll forgive you for not notecing the blindingly obviously differences like (and I can't belive I still need to point this out) the total lack of the engineering hull.Darth Nostril wrote:Was there an actual point anywhere in your incoherent ranting?Lord Revan wrote: waffle
A few cosmetic changes a brand new ship do not make.
We get it, you like the Akiraprise, just accept that you are in the minority.
Oh, and I have the utmost respect for the design team you twerp, they worked for four months trying to create something that would fit into the existing chronology, only to have Rick Berman's insistence on using the Akira design cripple their efforts.
They worked long and hard but it was for naught, a flipped reskinned Akira was all that they were allowed to do.
That is not a reflection on their skills and dedication, it is instead a damning indictment of the fucking stupidity of the producers.
The same producers who went on to completely fuck up the entire show to the point that it got cancelled.
<nod> From what I remember at the time, I think a large number of fans were expecting something like the Daedalus class. I know I was. It just makes a lot more sense to me as a design that could logically evolve into the Constitution-class ships we're all familiar with.FaxModem1 wrote:I put not my cup of tea. I would have liked a Dadelus class ship to be the star
So you accept it's a shitty Akira redo. You just want to quibble the semantics of 'identical' (which no one said) and 'reskinned.'lord Revan wrote:snip