The Vong, Executors, Sovereigns, and Worldships

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-13 11:47pm

A while back at SB.com I started a thread that had the New Republic with 2 Executor SSDs and a single Sovereign SSD commanded by General Garm Bel Iblis. Several people stated that an SSSD would be able to damage and over time destroy a YV Worldship, but it would have to be used carefully. I felt that to be a reasonable statement.

Then I read the Rebel Dream and Rebel Stand books in the NJO and read something interesting. The Lusankya was used to ram a YV worldship. Durring the ramming the Lusankya had its internal sections strengthened with extra metals turning it into a massive ramming ship. When it rammed the YV Worldship it hit with hits hull, not the shields. The resulting colission destroyed the YV Worldship.

Well that got me thinking. The Mini Super Lasers on the Sovereigns and Eclipses are supossed to be capable of ruining a planet AND destroy any SSD in a single shot. That means punching through shields and armor and destroying the SSD. I would think an unshielded Executor with ramming tip would have less destructive potential then a shielded Executor. If a Soverign could destroy a Sovereign in a single shot, then logically shouldn't it be able to destroy a YV worldship in a single shot?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-13 11:50pm

Bah I hate the Vong they should Be Q'ed Away to many unknows for logic to work on them

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-13 11:52pm

It was also packed with explosives all up and down that shaft. Remember, it says it impacted and embedded, then the WS blew up from the inside up along the SSD.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-13 11:55pm

In Truce at Bakura it is stated that ships turn their shields off in order to ram other ships. This helps them transfer all of their KE to the target ship. If the shields on both ships are up, then the two just bounce apart when the two strike each other. Your theory is invalid.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-13 11:57pm

Master of Ossus wrote:In Truce at Bakura it is stated that ships turn their shields off in order to ram other ships. This helps them transfer all of their KE to the target ship. If the shields on both ships are up, then the two just bounce apart when the two strike each other. Your theory is invalid.

However the fact that a Sovereigns SL is capable of punching through a shield and through the armor as well. In the very least this would indicate that the SL would deeply penetrate and possibly pass completely through a worldship. So maybe it wouldn't outright kill a worldship, but I have no doubt it would cripple a worldship.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-14 01:20am

Ossus is obviously correct about the shield theory. About your mini- super laser theory, that seems to be possible. But Luke would probably cry that no superweapons should be used

Don't get me wrong, I respect Master Skywalker, but some of his ideas are just annoying. If a super laser or Death Star could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong and stop them from destroying your galaxy as you know it, USE IT! And this is from a person who supports the Rebellion and New Republic.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-14 01:24am

Alyeska wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:In Truce at Bakura it is stated that ships turn their shields off in order to ram other ships. This helps them transfer all of their KE to the target ship. If the shields on both ships are up, then the two just bounce apart when the two strike each other. Your theory is invalid.
However the fact that a Sovereigns SL is capable of punching through a shield and through the armor as well. In the very least this would indicate that the SL would deeply penetrate and possibly pass completely through a worldship. So maybe it wouldn't outright kill a worldship, but I have no doubt it would cripple a worldship.

That part of the theory seems likely.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-14 10:43am

Talon Karrde wrote:Ossus is obviously correct about the shield theory. About your mini- super laser theory, that seems to be possible. But Luke would probably cry that no superweapons should be used Don't get me wrong, I respect Master Skywalker, but some of his ideas are just annoying. If a super laser or Death Star could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong and stop them from destroying your galaxy as you know it, USE IT! And this is from a person who supports the Rebellion and New Republic.

Hmm, you're slowly starting to think Imperial: do what is neccessary (to stay in power).
You're on the right way.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-14 02:41pm

Maybe after the Vong invasion they'll devote a star system or such to just R&D to make temporary superweapons to annihilate serious threats such as the Vong. Then after the threat is gone, they scrap the superweapons, or modify them for other purposes. Like, if they built a new DS, after the Vong are destroyed, they start taking it apart. Use all of its weapons and support ships to supply their fleet for many years to come. Take apart its superlaser completely, or think of other useful purposes it has....although I can't think of anything except for blowing up shit...LOL. This way, after the threat is gone, no one can use the superweapons the way the Empire did. They wouldn't have that much power to abuse. I think the main reason why the New Republic doesn't want to follow in the footsteps of the Empire is because...well...it's the Empire. Just like America after it won the Revolutionary War. We stayed out of all wars and concentrated on establishing our government and nation as a whole. And look where it got us. Superpower of the world. So if the New Republic works on its own government and such and finally improves itself to a point where it could concentrate on expanding itself, it should be better off.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-14 02:43pm

I forgot to mention we did not follow in the footsteps of Britain and have a monarchy and such.

Talon Karrde · Post by **Talon Karrde** » 2002-08-14 02:56pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:
Talon Karrde wrote:Ossus is obviously correct about the shield theory. About your mini- super laser theory, that seems to be possible. But Luke would probably cry that no superweapons should be used Don't get me wrong, I respect Master Skywalker, but some of his ideas are just annoying. If a super laser or Death Star could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong and stop them from destroying your galaxy as you know it, USE IT! And this is from a person who supports the Rebellion and New Republic.
Hmm, you're slowly starting to think Imperial: do what is neccessary (to stay in power).
You're on the right way.

Um...... no. This isn't about staying in power, this is about preserving the galaxy and people's lives. Who said anything about power? Please don't take words out of my mouth or try to read my mind, if anything ticks me off, it's that.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-08-14 02:59pm

no superweapons should be used Don't get me wrong, I respect Master Skywalker, but some of his ideas are just annoying. If a super laser or Death Star could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong and stop them from destroying your galaxy as you know it, USE IT! And this is from a person who supports the Rebellion and New Republic.

yeah, what good is the ideals of the new republic/rebellion if is destoryed by the Vong, build those superships and blast the Yuzhan Vong to shreds.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-14 03:03pm

starfury wrote:no superweapons should be used Don't get me wrong, I respect Master Skywalker, but some of his ideas are just annoying. If a super laser or Death Star could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong and stop them from destroying your galaxy as you know it, USE IT! And this is from a person who supports the Rebellion and New Republic.

yeah, what good is the ideals of the new republic/rebellion if is destoryed by the Vong, build those superships and blast the Yuzhan Vong to shreds.

Good point. Their ideals were pretty well gone, anyway, but you are absolutely correct. They are worthless if the NR is destroyed. I wish one of the NJO writers had thought of that, earlier.