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As evidenced by what, exactly?
In a Voyager episode, "Omega", the Crew modifies a torpedo up to 80 Isotons. That's about 280 megatons.
As per your say so.
Since the DS has no shields of it's own,
Despite the fact that 100% of available evidence say YES IT DOES.
do you have any doubt a dozen or so hits from such weapons, would destroy it?
It would flat out IGNORE such attacks even if they somehow got through its shields.
Phaser power is rated at a little over 1 gigawatts.
Which is positively pathetic. Even Mike Wong gave them TW firepower.
I think that's low because we already have military lasers rated about 10 megawatts. Further they seem more powerful then that. Punching many miles into the crust of a planet in seconds
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Which, thanks to NDF, doesn't mean diddly.
Burning up the debris in an atmosphere, that was causing an ice age, in seconds.
NDF. Doesn't mean diddly.
The fact that phasers are more destructive then lasers of = power, may account for some of the difference
You will now show they ARE.Show that 1.05 MW laser is less destructive than a Type III phaser rifle.
One impressive site, "The Science in Science Fiction" rated the warp core of E-D as 965 terawatts
This is relevant why?
The site also points out the huge gap between the force delivered by torpedoes, and phasers.
Which doesn't exist, otherwise nobody would bother with phasers abymore.
The writers of the Tech Manual were clearly using restraint, in coming up with numbers.
They never came up with any numbers to begin with.
I think the SW material is megalomaniacal, just too grand to be taken seriously.
I don't care what you think. The Star Wars material is canon and fully in line with what we see in the movies.
Other then the DS SW weapons seem much more limited. The only things we have seen destroyed with one shot from a turbo laser are fighters, and rocks about 30 feet on a side
Blatant lie. The asteroids vapourized by the ISD's LIGHT turbolasers are in the 30-60 metre diameter range
The rocks seem to give as good as they take. You your selves state it takes dozen, or even hundreds of turbo laser hits to take out a SD. Small ships like the first ship captured in ANH take a number of hits before their disabled.
I like how you completely ignore the fact that since they WANTED to take Tantive IV intact, using their most powerful guns would have been sort of counterproductive.
The MF takes a few hits, and is not hurt any worse then in the attack from 4 TIE Fighters.
From LTLs on a ship that wants to CAPTURE them. I mean I KNOW you're a complete and utter moron but this is pushing it.
Most observed shots fired by SDs seem to miss, like the WWII guns their modeled on
As per-you saying so.
all of the missiles shown detonate with conventional level blasts.
You know what a conventional explosive going off in a vacuum would look like? DO tell me.
TIE Bombers working over asteroids make small surface impacts, and cause little seismic effect a half mile away. These conventional missiles are stated to be effective against shielded SDs
Another batant lie, though by now I shouldn't be surprised. The canon quote that say the exploves those TIEs use to FLUSH OUT the MF are the same ones regularly used to take down capital ships is?
Shield Power. In ST Shields are shown standing up to multi; megaton blasts
As evidenced by?
stellar corona's
Which isn't anything to brag about
40, gigawat positron beams, (This seems low)
That's because in the Husnock incident, it was a 400 GW particle beem. Which is STILL pathetic compared to Star Wars.
In "Mudd's Women", the Enterprise burns out it's dylithium crystals by extending it's shields over a small ship well out of transporter range, in an asteroid field. The protected ship is destroyed by an asteroid bigger then the ship it hits. The Enterprise her self is not shown being in danger in the same field. Trek ships have structural integrity fields. These are a development of the charged plating shown in the series "Enterprise". Force fields seal hull breaches, and reinforce the hull. The main deflector dish is stated to be able "to put out far more power then their Phasers, or Photon Torpedoes could ever put out. "Best of Both World, part 1".
All of which is utterly useless for determining their actual performance of course. But I suspect you already knew that.
We don't know much about SW shields, never having seen them pushed to their limits.
Blatant lie, again. We have seen them pushed to their limits time and again in the EU.
Small asteroids have been shown crippling SDs
No they haven'tt.
You state the shield were already down, what do you think brought them down?
That'd be the part where they were using the Holonet, which, you know, sort of doesn't work that well through shields.
Tie fighters were not very effective in doing critical damage to the MF, though they did do a lot of superficial damage through their shields. X-Wings seem to have at lest twice the fire power of a TIE fighter. 4 guns vs 2, each seems more powerful.
I like how you show how ran the numbers that led you to that conclusion. Oh wait, you didn't.
X-Wings shot up the surface of the DS, taking out weapons towers,
So?
and shooting up a SSD, you claimed the shields were already down,
Another blatant lie. It was an A-Wing that crashed into Executor's bridge.
though I think that's unclear.
It's not my problem that you are abysmally stupid. The very fact that they could get at the alleged shield generator to begin with means the shield was down to anyboy with a double-figure or above IQ.
It seems clear the TIE fighters were designed as interceptors, that is to take out attacking fighters. X-Wings have light shields, hyperdrive, and much heavier fire power, giving them a better ship killing capability.
As per-you saying so. Oh, and incidentally, interceptors were originally intended to intercept (sic!= BOMBERS.
Though I repeat it makes no sense at Endor for TIE fighters to attack rebel cruisers, if they know they can't hurt them. If your right then the Empire commanders IE the Emperor is a stupid commander. But then we know that already. Your counter argument that rebel shields are inferior
DO quote me were I actually said that.
Combat Ranges. In ST TOS Combat ranges were established inside 100,000km, with the Enterprise usual closing to 40,000km before opening fire. From NTG on it seems closer most of the time
Try virtually ALL of the time. And curious how the latter TOS movies ALSO displayed the abomniably low engsgement ranges that TNG does.
. Other then dramatic effect, the SW inspired desire of showing both combatants in the same frame why the shorter range?
Excuse me? That's why
Trek does it.EU Wars is LOUSY with ships duking it out at preposterous ranges.
The wonkish reason would be that improvements in shielding force you to fire beam weapons closer to get more effect. Beam weapons lose power, and focus over distance.
Which is why Wars ships cannot possibly fire DEW at targets at lighthour ranges. Oh wait. In short, you're full of it.
Torpedoes are the preferred long range weapons.
Long range is Trek meaning real-world dogfighting ranges.
In SW the same basic reasoning seems to prevail. The SW sites state a heavy turbo lasers targeting range is 10 light minutes
WHAT SW site? And if it is Mikes, I see he STILL hasn't bother to update.
That's an absurdity, 180 million kms more then the distance between the Earth and the Sun.
so?
At Endor at the start of the battle the two fleets are about 1,000km-2,000km apart. They can clearly see each other with the naked eye, so they can't be any further apart then that.
Not that I see how that is relevant but SHOW ME THE MATH.
This is shown to be beyond effective range
as evidenced by-you saying so.
When ever the MF gets out of naked eye range all fire stops. and the pursuit is taken up by TIE Fighters alone. Effective range seems to be about 1,000km.
You no doubt have the videos to support that.
Sensor capabilities. ST sensors are stated, and shown to be several LYs. They routinely scan nearby systems for ships. and large energy sources. Cursory scans are routinely thwarted by, jamming fields, being deep underground, running in grey mood, and hiding in blind spots. Voyager scanned Borg Cubes 5LYs away. Sensor beams are FTL maybe tachyons. Federation sensor webs have been planted, in the Neutral Zones, and other sensitive areas, and these supplement ship sensors. SW sensors seem short ranged.
As evidenced by?
Ships have to be in system to detect other ships.
As evidenced by?
At Hoth the Empire can't scan the Rebel Base till their in the system.
As evidenced by?
Vader kills the Admiral for coming out of "Light speed to close to the system." He must have thought they should have sent in less obtrusive scout forces first. Only after detailed information was obtained, he would then devise an attack plan, and then move in his main force. His failure to make his intentions clear to his Admiral, was a failure of his own leadership, not the Admirals. He should have choked himself to death. "You have failed the Empire for the last time Vader, ga!, ga!, ga!." Imperial Probe Droids have to land on a planet, to get a good enough scan to identify a settlement, with major power generation ability. All this indicates light speed or slower sensor beams. Both sides sensors give good details about power, weapons, and life forms.
Um-no it doesn't. Especially as canon says they DO have FTL (severol orders of magnitude faster than the Feds, BTW) sensors, else they wouldn't have wondered about how they lost track of the MF in TESB, you know.
Tactical Speed. Again at the beginning of ANH we see a rebel ship running from a SD. We see planets, and or moons in the background. The ships speed is not sufficient to change the relative positions of the planets. That would indicate a speed of not much more then 100-200 kps
Except that is, of course, complete bullshit. Especially as you are a not inconsidersble number of orders of magnitude too stupid to understand the math involved in proving they did.
The time it takes the DS to clear Yavin is in line with that kind of speed.
Another blatant lie.
ST ships are shown moving though normal space at up too about half light speed.
As evidenced by?
Strategic Speed. In "where No Man Has Gone Before", the Enterprise breaks through the barrier at the edge of the Galaxy. That's 20,000 LYs from Earth
Happily ignoring the fact that they did so with aid from extragalactical lifeforms that improved her Warp performance neyond comprehension.
ST V they go to the center of the galaxy, 30,000 LYS, in a few days
Except they did no such thing.
Most of the rest of the time their much slower. It seems to take a few days to reach the Klingon Home world, and it is on the other side of Rigel, and the Orion Arm.Rigel is about 770 LYs from Earth.
As per the ENT opener the Klingon Homeworld is less than 4 ly from Earth.
On the other hand some missions take much longer, Voyager series,
Yep 1000c infinitely sustainable average. Vs 50 million c.
Borg intro story, and so on. A lot of inconsistencies. In TNG it's stated the Federation has charted 18% of the Galaxy. Several warp scales have been propagated, but nothing works consistently. It depends on the story. I would rather they use the lower better defined speeds.
SW is pretty much the same. It's never stated how long it takes to get any where
And another blatant lie.
In AOTC, we find out the whole Galaxy has not been explored.
Quite the opposite, actually.
If every point in the Galaxy could be reached from any other point in a few hours no system would be remote. By definition remote means hard to get to, out of the way, off the beaten path
I hate to tell you don't get to redefine words just because their established meaning makes you look like aa complete and utter moron(which you are).
In ROTJ Vader mentions reports of a rebel fleet massing near Sula. If Sula is 2 hours away from Endor, sending a force to recon the area would be simple. The Fleet could check it out, and if it's a blind double back to Endor, round trip may be 5 hours. With out precise knowledge the Rebel Fleet showing up in that 5 hour window would be fantastic. The point the Emperor grasped was the reports were a ruse. The Time back and forth to Sula must have been longer then that, for a plan to put the Imperial Fleet out of place to make sense. What's more if any point is only a few hours away, there's little reason to divide the Fleet. You only divide your forces if you have to perform tasks over a wide area. A US Carrier Battle Group in the N Atlantic can't support the war in Iraq. The Carriers in the Persian Gulf couldn't support Taiwan. If they could move from Norfolk VA to the Persian Gulf in 4 hours, we wouldn't need as many of them. The Clone Wars would have been over in a lot less then the year or more it took, if you could mass your forces so quickly. Try to imagine how WWII (Which SW was modeled on) would have gone, if forces could have moved and attacked any where in the world in a few hours?
A pity none of that ever actually happened in the movies.
Fleet size. According to the DS listing it was equipped with 10,000 Turbo Lasers. If that represents "Greater then half the Star Fleet", then we have some thing to work with.
No we don't since the latter comes from a smuggler speaking out of utter astonishment and the former, even if based oon an even marginaly canon sourse doesn't day BEANS about those TL's FIREPOWER...
If SDs account for half the turbo lasers in the fleet,
For which there is no indication regardless of the fact that that wouldn't mean anything whatsoever
With SSD having many more, and lesser ships having fewer you get about 160, or less based on 60 per SD. With a 20% yard rate,
What, pray tell, is a yard rate?
that gives you an operational force of about 128 or less. That would mean the force at Endor represented 25% of the main battle force.
Um-no it doesn't.
Ok please try to refute the ideas and calculations with some thing better then; "In your opinion", or your a pedophile.
