Pictures of Neo-Republican star destroyer, Republic-class

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Pictures of Neo-Republican star destroyer, Republic-class

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:!: Do any of you have a picture of the Republic-class destroyer used by the navy of the New Republic?? Curtis Saxon's SWTC is reluctant to post the only existing illustration of a Republic-class....

From what I've heard, it's much more aerodynamic than previous Star Destroyers, perhaps it is intended for atmospheric flight??

Anyway, I would like to see a picture of a Republic-class.....
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From what I've heard, it's much more aerodynamic than previous Star Destroyers, perhaps it is intended for atmospheric flight??
I don't see why it would be. These thing have ranges of tens of thousands of kilometers (and that's being generous) and thousand-G acceleration ratings. Flying in an atmosphere would be utterly pointless.

'Sides, we see from the example of the Vicstar that they don't NEED to be aerodynamic to stay aloft in an atmosphere... that's what repulsors are for.
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I've seen a mesh of it somewhere, but I don't find it anymore....
Basically, it looked like a VSD with three reactor bulbs, 3 heavy turrets sitting near the 'wings' and the tower was ISD-style without the VSD's antennas and such. They are said to be manufactured by Rendilli and are 1,2 km long, yet have more firepower and shielding than an ISD 2.
This, in my opinion, is a gross exagaration, typical NR propaganda. :x
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The NR and all their purely EU poorly thought out shite can go to hell .... :evil:

Long live the Empire ... which is undoubtedly CANON :twisted:
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Cpt_Frank wrote:I've seen a mesh of it somewhere, but I don't find it anymore....
Basically, it looked like a VSD with three reactor bulbs, 3 heavy turrets sitting near the 'wings' and the tower was ISD-style without the VSD's antennas and such. They are said to be manufactured by Rendilli and are 1,2 km long, yet have more firepower and shielding than an ISD 2.
This, in my opinion, is a gross exagaration, typical NR propaganda. :x
Reactor bulbs?? You mean those weird out-bulges on the hull of an Immobiliser-class??
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I have never understood why every technical SW website refuses to accept the picture of the Republic SD. After lurking around on Robert Brown's old forums, I've read that the ship has some similarities in appearance to Mon Cal ships, sort of a cross between the traditional dagger shape and Calamari designs. Perhaps the smoothness of Mon Cal designs were what they meant by "aerodynamic." Can you confirm if this is true, Cpt_Frank?

It is for this "reason" that Saxton and everyone else rejects this picture, since they believe that because the ship had the same designer as the VSD, it should look almost the same (some guys have actually made up their own pictures of the RSD, making it look exactly the same as a VSD w/o the atmospheric wings). I find this to be fallacious, since the picture is not actually contradicting canon or higher EU material, only their own unsupported speculations. This is not at all like the horrible New Class ship pictures, which clearly contradict the descriptions in the novels.

What I don't get is why Saxton has not even tried to rationalize this. This is especially surprising since he's shown in many other cases to be very accepting of EVERY SW source, rationalizing even sources that contradict canon rather than throwing them out entirely. When one thinks about it, there are plenty of reasons why the ship would look Mon Cal-ish. With more than 3 decades between the design of the VSD and the RSD, the designer Walex Blissex would have had plenty of time to learn new things and change his mind. And according to the CCG, Blissex was one of the men seen one Home One in ROTJ. Maybe he was impressed by Calamari designs after serving on one of their ships? Also, does anyone really think that ONE guy designs a large starship all by himself? Maybe Blissex worked with several Mon Calamari, since they seem to be prominent shipbuilders for the Rebellian/New Republic. Or maybe the design was forced on Blissex for political reasons? Judging from most of the novels, the Republic seemed kind of wimpy with its military, refusing to do such "Imperial" things as orbital bombardment, using SSDs, and naming its big ships "Star Defenders" rather than Star Destroyers. Perhaps the Republic didn't want its namesake ship to resemble Imperial designs, going instead for the Calamari style?

When you think about the whole thing, there really is no reason why every technical website has rejected the RSD pictures. They should have posted the pictures anyway, even if they believed they were wrong. Heck, they should have posted the incorrect New Class pictures as well, so that people can judge for themselves whether or not they fit into continuity, rather than expecting everyone to just blindly accept their unsupported speculations.
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Well, I searched around the web, and I found this page with some (really cheap) Republic-class SD pics on the bottom... although the author admits that he pretty much pulled it out of his ass.

I continued searching Google for about an hour and a half, and while I found a million people mention Republic-Class Star Destroyers (and, amazingly, most cites were consistent, with only a handful of people succumbing to the "bigger is better" mindset and assuming that the RSD's are 3000 meters long or more), I didn't find any actual images or meshes. Sorry.
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Simon H.Johansen wrote: Reactor bulbs?? You mean those weird out-bulges on the hull of an Immobiliser-class??
Reactor bulb = the bulb on the ventral surface of every SD design.

Jim Raynor: the ship looked bore no resemblance to the moncal at all, but as I said it looked like a vic star with an Imperator's tower and 3 reactor bulbs.
Several pics of the mesh were in a thread at the now closed Bob Brown discussion boards, and someone there called raptor rage converted those into a profile view to include them in his size comparison chart.
The mesh, though, was fan made, ie can not be regarded as accurate.

I'll see if I can find something.
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SPOOFE wrote:Well, I searched around the web, and I found this page with some (really cheap) Republic-class SD pics on the bottom... although the author admits that he pretty much pulled it out of his ass.

I continued searching Google for about an hour and a half, and while I found a million people mention Republic-Class Star Destroyers (and, amazingly, most cites were consistent, with only a handful of people succumbing to the "bigger is better" mindset and assuming that the RSD's are 3000 meters long or more), I didn't find any actual images or meshes. Sorry.
That page is from Saxman, someone I personally know. He frequently posts at Rob Brown's SW message board and the X-Wing Alliance community message board.

I had great respect for him, but after seeing that site I'm afraid I'll have to call him a fanboy....
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Jim Raynor wrote: Maybe Blissex worked with several Mon Calamari, since they seem to be prominent shipbuilders for the Rebellian/New Republic.
It is this which I speculate myself, that some of the chief designers of the Republic-class might have been Mon Calamari themselves. (or maybe Quarren*)

*Those Cthulhu-esque guys which are native to the Mon Cal homeworld. One of Jabba's henchmen was a Quarren. A Quarren was also Mon Cal's senator in TPM/AOTC if I recall correctly.
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I have never understood why every technical SW website refuses to accept the picture of the Republic SD.
Because, the illustrations of canon ships in from the same source are distorted. The artwork is widely agreed to be of generally poor quality. They hired an artist rather than a techincal illustrator or drafter. The artist's style skewed the ship designs, essentially.
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Stormbringer wrote:
I have never understood why every technical SW website refuses to accept the picture of the Republic SD.
Because, the illustrations of canon ships in from the same source are distorted. The artwork is widely agreed to be of generally poor quality. They hired an artist rather than a techincal illustrator or drafter. The artist's style skewed the ship designs, essentially.
I thought the rule was that if an official source contradicts a canon source on a certain point, it is deemed invalid on that point only. Many of the EU novels contain inconsistencies with canon, but almost no one believes that the entire books themselves should be disregarded. In the case of the RSD, there are no canon sources, or even other official sources that show a contradictory image of the ship. With no other sources to compare it to, it should be accepted. Also, poor quality is no reason to throw something out. We'd all like to forget the Holiday Special and anything by KJA, but we still have to live with them.[/i]
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Find a copy of "Cracken's Threat Dossier" for the pic .

It is interesting that WOTC Guide to starships shows a "Defender class SD" with identical stats, but a far different pic.
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Now any chance you enlighten us and post it here?
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Ender wrote:Find a copy of "Cracken's Threat Dossier" for the pic
Since I think it's quite hard to find English books here in Denmark, I would like to know what the Danish title for that book is... if any of you know!!

You could also inform me who wrote that book...
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Now I don't know about a German or French version of this book, as far as I know it only exists in English.
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I thought the rule was that if an official source contradicts a canon source on a certain point, it is deemed invalid on that point only. Many of the EU novels contain inconsistencies with canon, but almost no one believes that the entire books themselves should be disregarded. In the case of the RSD, there are no canon sources, or even other official sources that show a contradictory image of the ship. With no other sources to compare it to, it should be accepted.
It is the rule, however, the whole book is riddled with the same errors. It's the same problem for EVERYTHING canon and most official as well. Hence, most people regard it as a very very suspect source.
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Cpt_Frank wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote: Reactor bulbs?? You mean those weird out-bulges on the hull of an Immobiliser-class??
Reactor bulb = the bulb on the ventral surface of every SD design.
So what exacly does a reactor bulb do? Is this the equivilant of a reactor chamber in nuclear submarines?
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It's an especially heavy armored section of the hull above which the reactor is located. Adding especially heavy armor to such a place is always a good idea.
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Cpt_Frank wrote:I've seen a mesh of it somewhere, but I don't find it anymore....
Basically, it looked like a VSD with three reactor bulbs, 3 heavy turrets sitting near the 'wings' and the tower was ISD-style without the VSD's antennas and such. They are said to be manufactured by Rendilli and are 1,2 km long, yet have more firepower and shielding than an ISD 2.
This, in my opinion, is a gross exagaration, typical NR propaganda. :x
But, the RSD could hold fewer troops, fewer fighters, and fewer supplies than the great ISD!
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But, the RSD could hold fewer troops, fewer fighters, and fewer supplies than the great ISD!
Not to mention that they also have a shorter range of operations and can hold fewer armour plates, side-mounted auxiliary batteries, etc....
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I already conceded with that. Btw, anyone know where to find pics of the Defender class SD?
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Cpt_Frank wrote:I already conceded with that. Btw, anyone know where to find pics of the Defender class SD?
http://www.wizards.com/starwars/article ... lery&c=rpg
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Thx. They look neat.
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