The size of starfleet

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-06 05:57pm

You are both right. It is also possible that the "Academy" we hear about is CENTERED in San Francisco, but that it has other institutions elsewhere, kind of like a "study abroad" option. This is likely. We have never seen the Academy, and we have never seen how large its classes are, you are quite correct. I think the limiting factor on SF size is industrial might.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-06 06:00pm

Master of Ossus wrote:You are both right. It is also possible that the "Academy" we hear about is CENTERED in San Francisco, but that it has other institutions elsewhere, kind of like a "study abroad" option. This is likely. We have never seen the Academy, and we have never seen how large its classes are, you are quite correct. I think the limiting factor on SF size is industrial might.

This is true but since everyone has to go through the Star Fleet Academy then is capacity, including branches, would be a limiting factor. You can Build all the ship you want but if you don't have the manpower then they do you no good.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-06 06:06pm

I know that without personnel ships will not function. I am saying that the laughable industrial abilities of the Federation are more limiting and constricting to the size of their starfleets than the number of officers they train annually. I do not see personnel as being the reason why SF is not bigger--I don't think that SF can build its ships quickly enough to maintain a bigger fleet.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-06 06:10pm

Master of Ossus wrote:I know that without personnel ships will not function. I am saying that the laughable industrial abilities of the Federation are more limiting and constricting to the size of their starfleets than the number of officers they train annually. I do not see personnel as being the reason why SF is not bigger--I don't think that SF can build its ships quickly enough to maintain a bigger fleet.

This may also be true since it seems only the facilities at Earth and Mars have and real Industrial output. The raw materials come from unspecified sources though. This is a major liability and makes the Sol system highly vunerable.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-08-06 06:17pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:I know that without personnel ships will not function. I am saying that the laughable industrial abilities of the Federation are more limiting and constricting to the size of their starfleets than the number of officers they train annually. I do not see personnel as being the reason why SF is not bigger--I don't think that SF can build its ships quickly enough to maintain a bigger fleet.
This may also be true since it seems only the facilities at Earth and Mars have and real Industrial output. The raw materials come from unspecified sources though. This is a major liability and makes the Sol system highly vunerable.

Especially when one considers Starfleet's track record in defending earth...how many times has their been only one starship between earth and the impending threat (ie. the Enterrpise.) And those that point to Endgame as a sign that things have changed...it's B&B, they just wanted the Voyager to have a nice welcoming comittee that's all. I mean as late as the Dominion war, where you have the Federation on the verge of defeat, a small Breen task force manages to warp all the day from the front lines to Earth, make an orbital strike then manage to pull back, they don;t make it all the way back, but they survive earth's defenses long enough to make an orbital strike and retreat. Think about the gap in the lines though, earth must be DAYS from the front lines...so the Breen were chugging along for DAYS through Federation space and no one could intercept them....Pathetic.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-06 06:20pm

Stravo wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:I know that without personnel ships will not function. I am saying that the laughable industrial abilities of the Federation are more limiting and constricting to the size of their starfleets than the number of officers they train annually. I do not see personnel as being the reason why SF is not bigger--I don't think that SF can build its ships quickly enough to maintain a bigger fleet.
This may also be true since it seems only the facilities at Earth and Mars have and real Industrial output. The raw materials come from unspecified sources though. This is a major liability and makes the Sol system highly vunerable.
Especially when one considers Starfleet's track record in defending earth...how many times has their been only one starship between earth and the impending threat (ie. the Enterrpise.) And those that point to Endgame as a sign that things have changed...it's B&B, they just wanted the Voyager to have a nice welcoming comittee that's all. I mean as late as the Dominion war, where you have the Federation on the verge of defeat, a small Breen task force manages to warp all the day from the front lines to Earth, make an orbital strike then manage to pull back, they don;t make it all the way back, but they survive earth's defenses long enough to make an orbital strike and retreat. Think about the gap in the lines though, earth must be DAYS from the front lines...so the Breen were chugging along for DAYS through Federation space and no one could intercept them....Pathetic.

Very true

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-06 06:22pm

Even WITH those facilities I think that SF has a terrible industrial output. They are both highly over-centralized, and incredibly weak in their ability to manufacture large numbers of starships quickly. I know that their ships will not function without officers (since everyone in ST is an officer), but I also think that they have more than enough training facilities to maintain their fleet, based on what we can see in the show.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-07 01:46am

Master of Ossus wrote:Even WITH those facilities I think that SF has a terrible industrial output. They are both highly over-centralized, and incredibly weak in their ability to manufacture large numbers of starships quickly. I know that their ships will not function without officers (since everyone in ST is an officer), but I also think that they have more than enough training facilities to maintain their fleet, based on what we can see in the show.

yes one strategic strike and The Federation would be out for the count

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-08-08 08:24pm

Dark Primus wrote:According to Rick Sternbach and Brannon Braga Federation has between 8,000-12,000 starships. Not included shuttles or fighters.

I bet only half of those ships can be taken to be warships.

Actually, almost none of them are warships. The only ones I know are the Defiant and maybe the Enterprise-E. Really, starfleet vessels are actually armed science and exploration vessels.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2002-08-08 09:44pm

Try large (over 100m or so) ships then, picky...