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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
ray245 wrote:One thing about this kind free speech is, you will pissed people off. In this case, by pissing the muslim off, you are really asking for the terrorist to target your country.

In the end, if a terrorist attack succeeds, the artist may end up being the indirect cause of other innocents. The government can condemn the threats, but that does NOT stop the terrorist from making swedish a target!
Ah, so you support suspension or destruction of basic liberties such as free speech to purchase temporary safety from an ultimately miniscule threat in the grand scheme of things.

Why aren't you titled and/or banned yet, fuckhole?
So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech? The government can condemn the death threats, but that does not put a stop to everything. Can you ensure that the terrorist will stop their threat now?

If they are just Christian fundies, the most they can do is yell about it. But this is different thing. The jihadists is already asking for the cartoonist head! And they have a much higher chance of actually accomplishing their goal than some fundies in the US.

So in the grand scheme of things, people's life does not matter right? Just because people die from accidents every day, does that mean a few more dead people is acceptable?

A temporary safety? Does Sweden even play an active role in Middle East for the terrorist to find enough excuses to attack them?

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And when women get uppity and talk back to their Muslim husbands, they are really asking for their husbands to beat and kill them, right? You're a fucking idiot.
And you expect the wives to have a high chance to fight their husbands off when they are going to beat and kill them? If this is a more developed country, sure laws can protect them from harm. That does not mean the law can reach out to the victims in time.

The same thing goes to stupid acts like grabbing a gun form a police. Sure, the police MAY not shoot you, but you are free to take that risk.

Sure, you can piss off a rather violent person because it is your right. But is it a clever thing to do?


I'm not saying freedom of speech is a bad thing. Sure it is people's right to say what they want. But it sure doesn't stop people from doing stupid things. The same reason why there are people who reject Global warming.
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ray245 wrote:So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech? The government can condemn the death threats, but that does not put a stop to everything. Can you ensure that the terrorist will stop their threat now?
What the fuck? Of course you allow it. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our entire society, and it sure as hell shouldn't be curtailed to avoid upsetting a bunch of lunatics. What would be next, giving every religion some sort of legal protection from richly deserved mockery too? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
ray245 wrote:I'm not saying freedom of speech is a bad thing. Sure it is people's right to say what they want. But it sure doesn't stop people from doing stupid things. The same reason why there are people who reject Global warming.
Yes, people can use freedom of speech for stupid things. This particular author might end up dead because of his actions. But that's no reason to start curtailing this vital freedom, simply because of the horrible precedent such a change would set.
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ray245 wrote: So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech?
Yes. It's a fucking drawing. The muslims (both the terrorists and any that agree with banning them outright because they're offensive) are cultivating an atmosphere of bullying.
The government can condemn the death threats, but that does not put a stop to everything. Can you ensure that the terrorist will stop their threat now?
And censoring everyone would stop the threats at a reasonable price? I think not.
If they are just Christian fundies, the most they can do is yell about it.
Heh. Riiight.
So in the grand scheme of things, people's life does not matter right? Just because people die from accidents every day, does that mean a few more dead people is acceptable?
No. Is a culture of fear and bullying permissable because there are crazy people?
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ray245 wrote:So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech?
So the solution to oppressive religious fanatic scumbags is for the government to oppress the people before the religious fanatics can? What kind of raving imbecile are you?
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If the response to a stated opinion is murderous violence, the problem is with the people advocating murder, not the opinion nor the person espousing it. I should think this would be evident to any sane person.
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ray245 wrote: So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech? The government can condemn the death threats, but that does not put a stop to everything. Can you ensure that the terrorist will stop their threat now?
You're a fucking idiot. You don't give into terrorists just because some fringe lunatics might go apeshit. Do you think lunatics care about what's reasonable?
If they are just Christian fundies, the most they can do is yell about it. But this is different thing. The jihadists is already asking for the cartoonist head! And they have a much higher chance of actually accomplishing their goal than some fundies in the US.
So your idea is to cower and give into their idiotic demands even though someone is in a perfect position to fight back? Do you honestly think any nation would have gotten where it was today by giving into bullying powers? :roll:
So in the grand scheme of things, people's life does not matter right? Just because people die from accidents every day, does that mean a few more dead people is acceptable?
What the fuck is this supposed to even mean?
And you expect the wives to have a high chance to fight their husbands off when they are going to beat and kill them? If this is a more developed country, sure laws can protect them from harm. That does not mean the law can reach out to the victims in time.

The same thing goes to stupid acts like grabbing a gun form a police. Sure, the police MAY not shoot you, but you are free to take that risk.

Sure, you can piss off a rather violent person because it is your right. But is it a clever thing to do?
Are you even trying to say anything here that isn't a variation of "everyone should walk on eggshells to avoid pissing off the lunatics?" Cause I'm not seeing it.
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By ray245's logic, the murder of John Lennon indicated that we should ban the song "Imagine" and any songs like it, just in case Christian religious fanatics decide to go nuts and kill the writers.
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Darth Wong wrote:By ray245's logic, the murder of John Lennon indicated that we should ban the song "Imagine" and any songs like it, just in case Christian religious fanatics decide to go nuts and kill the writers.
Just like how we should completely ban abortion clinics to keep pro-lifers from bombing them and assaulting people who go in them? According to ray245's logic at least.
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Darth Wong wrote:By ray245's logic, the murder of John Lennon indicated that we should ban the song "Imagine" and any songs like it, just in case Christian religious fanatics decide to go nuts and kill the writers.
Also like how we should ban gays with the only penalty of course being death (you can't un-gay someone after all) just because some fundies might (wait for it...)

kill a few gay people!




Seriously Mike, why isn't the asshole banned yet? :P
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Darth Wong wrote:By ray245's logic, the murder of John Lennon indicated that we should ban the song "Imagine" and any songs like it, just in case Christian religious fanatics decide to go nuts and kill the writers.
Jumping on the bandwagon to help hammer the point in for this moron: No more tank-tops on women. Muslims find that offensive and *have* assaulted women in the past for not being sufficiently covered. Sure it may be freedom of expression, but those damn women are risking the lives of innocents at the hands of terrorists when they don't cover themselves from head to toe. We can't risk offending those lunatics, can we?
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: Also like how we should ban gays with the only penalty of course being death (you can't un-gay someone after all) just because some fundies might (wait for it...)

kill a few gay people!




Seriously Mike, why isn't the asshole banned yet? :P
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: I hear you can "un-gay" people, as the right honourable Haggard has gone without the cock for at least a month. Maybe.

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Darth Wong wrote:
ray245 wrote:So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech?
So the solution to oppressive religious fanatic scumbags is for the government to oppress the people before the religious fanatics can? What kind of raving imbecile are you?
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Darth Wong wrote:
ray245 wrote:So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech?
So the solution to oppressive religious fanatic scumbags is for the government to oppress the people before the religious fanatics can? What kind of raving imbecile are you?
I blame his Singaporean upbringing.
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fgalkin wrote:Didn't that go out of vogue like last year? Those darned Mohammedans can never keep up with the fast pace of the modern world *sigh*.

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Please understand them, they're just cavemen, our modern world frightens and confuses them. Sometimes the little demons on that magic moving picture box make them want to throw away their AK-47's and C-4 packs and run off into the hills, or wherever. But there is one thing they do know - when a man makes drawings making fun of their imaginary friends, then he is entitled to no less than a beheading for compensatory damages, and the beheading of his family members for punitive damages. Thank you.
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Xisiqomelir wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
ray245 wrote:So what else can you do about it? Allow more drawings just because of free speech?
So the solution to oppressive religious fanatic scumbags is for the government to oppress the people before the religious fanatics can? What kind of raving imbecile are you?
I blame his Singaporean upbringing.
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