Israeli Neo-Nazis ... WTF?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-09 10:12pm

Israeli neo-Nazi gang attacked Jews, police say
Last Updated: Sunday, September 9, 2007 | 3:02 PM ET
CBC News

Eight Israeli youths have been arrested and accused of being in a neo-Nazi gang that attacked foreign workers, gays, homeless people and orthodox Jews, police said Sunday.

Three of the eight Russian-Israeli suspects, who are accused of being members of a neo-Nazi gang, hide their faces during a court appearance in the central Israeli town of Ramle on Sunday.Three of the eight Russian-Israeli suspects, who are accused of being members of a neo-Nazi gang, hide their faces during a court appearance in the central Israeli town of Ramle on Sunday.

The suspects were taken into custody a month ago, but police had not previously released details of the arrests.

All the suspects are between the ages of 16 and 21 and have Israeli citizenship, said police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld.

They all arrived from Russia over the past few years and were living in the central Israel city of Petah Tikva, east of Tel Aviv, where police have been investigating reports of attacks for more than a year, Rosenfeld said.

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Go to http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/09/0 ... rimes.html to read the rest of it. Bizarre.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-09-09 10:22pm

Russian-Israeli neo-Nazis?

That's shocking, although given the rise of Neo-Nazi in Russia in the 1990, should not be surprising.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-09-09 10:32pm

Stas Bush wrote:Russian-Israeli neo-Nazis? That's shocking, although given the rise of Neo-Nazi in Russia in the 1990, should not be surprising.

The weirdest part is that they are jews, hating jews. I can't think of anything more hilarious than that.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2007-09-09 10:38pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The weirdest part is that they are jews, hating jews. I can't think of anything more hilarious than that.

The article specifies only that they are Israeli. If they are Jewish, I would suspect that they are merely ethnic Jews, who have a beef with those of orthodox Jewish faith. That would be no more seemingly contradicting than a Utahn beating up on a Mormon.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-09-09 10:38pm

The weirdest part is that they are jews, hating jews. I can't think of anything more hilarious than that.

You know about Jews who collaborated with Hitler in the Holocaust? Some of which considered themselves "aryan"?

Racism sometimes takes on the weirdest forms.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2007-09-09 10:42pm

There were also Karaite Jews who joined the SS. Since they were of partially Turkish original, Himmler didn't consider them to be proper Jews in the Nazi terminology.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2007-09-09 11:13pm

Regardless of whether or not these guys would be Jewish enough to go the the death camps the notion of Russian Nazis is pretty much as stupid as Jewish Nazis considering the Nazi view of Slavs and just how many Russians the Nazis killed.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2007-09-09 11:19pm

Stas Bush wrote:
The weirdest part is that they are jews, hating jews. I can't think of anything more hilarious than that.
You know about Jews who collaborated with Hitler in the Holocaust? Some of which considered themselves "aryan"?

Racism sometimes takes on the weirdest forms.

Indeed just look at this message retrieved from the computer of one of the accused, as reported in the Independent:

An Israeli Nazi wrote:"I won't have kids. My grandfather is half Yid, so that this piece of trash won't have ancestors with even the smallest percent of Jewish blood."

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-09-09 11:34pm

Plekhanov wrote:Regardless of whether or not these guys would be Jewish enough to go the the death camps the notion of Russian Nazis is pretty much as stupid as Jewish Nazis considering the Nazi view of Slavs and just how many Russians the Nazis killed.

Some of the Ukrainian Separatists did collaborate with the Nazis initially if I recall.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2007-09-09 11:54pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:Regardless of whether or not these guys would be Jewish enough to go the the death camps the notion of Russian Nazis is pretty much as stupid as Jewish Nazis considering the Nazi view of Slavs and just how many Russians the Nazis killed.
Some of the Ukrainian Separatists did collaborate with the Nazis initially if I recall.

Many people in outlying territories did initially, when they'd been living under Stalin that was hardly surprising, thing though they did so without the benefit of hindsight and generally for pragmatic reasons rather than an idealogical commitment to Nazism.

Post by **Coyote** » 2007-09-10 12:13am

When I was there I'd heard tales (no hard evidence) of Russians that claimed random ancestors as Jewish basically to get the fuck out of Russian after the fall of Communist rule there. Supposedly a lot of them didn't know much or anything about Israel except that it wasn't Russia, and that was all that mattered.

I guess Russia, these days, is the hotbed of Nazi Fascist beliefs, and conveniently, skinhead racism these days only really cares that you're a straight white Christian-- the anti-Slavic part seems to have dissipated.

So in other words, it's not classic Reich Nazism, its racism with some window dressing taken from the Reich.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2007-09-10 02:21am

Fucked up people like this exist everywhere; and that’s something I don’t think we’ll ever escape. They latch onto Hitler because of the Nazi mythology, which is rather better developed and perpetuated then most brands of racism. Some people will always see an appeal in radicalism, no matter how absurd.

I’m still more amazed at that splinter group of rabbis the Iranians managed to dig up to attend their holocaust denial summit though. That was hilarious.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2007-09-10 03:19am

Some of the Ukrainian Separatists did collaborate with the Nazis initially if I recall.

Yes, they also ruthlessly massacred Jews and Poles - something that was feelgood for Hitler's minions. Himmler was rather proud of it, and formed SS units from the most notorious collaborationists, which then took part in putting down ghetto uprisings in the latter course of the war - with brutality that suprised even some of the Germans themselves.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2007-09-10 04:13am

Stas Bush wrote:Snip

Are you referring to the Russian SS Division No. 1?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-09-10 04:30am

Thanas wrote:
Stas Bush wrote:Snip
Are you referring to the Russian SS Division No. 1?

He was talking about Ukrainians and I've never heard of Ukrainians in the Kaminski Brigade, so I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Galizien Division.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2007-09-10 05:23am

Yeah, I agree. Funny thing is that I had read about them only a year ago...I shouldn't have gotten them mixed up. Ah well, not enough caffeine, I guess.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2007-09-10 06:31am

No weirder then Gay Republlicans.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-09-10 06:42am

Blah, I always think that "anti-Semitism" is much more of a euphemism than a accurate term anyway, just like calling Scandinavians "Aryan", Christianity is a direct cultural offshoot of Judaism and you get many Eastern European Muslims as well. In America I wouldn't be surprised if Neo-Nazi skinheads are Hispanic...

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-09-10 08:16pm

Big Orange wrote:Blah, I always think that "anti-Semitism" is much more of a euphemism than a accurate term anyway, just like calling Scandinavians "Aryan", Christianity is a direct cultural offshoot of Judaism and you get many Eastern European Muslims as well. In America I wouldn't be surprised if Neo-Nazi skinheads are Hispanic...

I think the most similair story to this I've heard come out of America was a Black member of the KKK who was a member of the NAACP at the same time.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-09-10 10:36pm

"I'm sure that no one in Israel is indifferent to these scenes, which demonstrate that we as a society have failed in educating these youths and distancing them from crazy and dangerous ideologies."

It's quite refreshing to hear a politician say this instead of, "It's all [insert minority group here]'s fault!"

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-09-11 02:43am

I think my thought about humanity's greatest overriding talent is that of unintentional comedy is true, and yet again proven correct. This is just...so wrong I can't help but laugh.

I can accept the possibility of there being a fringe group of Jews that quite honestly want the other Jews dead, for whatever reason they uphold; just as there's nearly always a small group amongst any group of people who think that they're right above all others, and all others must die to prove it - but this particular example hurts my sense of humanity just that much more.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2007-09-11 03:33am

Weird groupings on the political extremes never surprises me. It is usually only a matter of who they hate more to produce some very strange constellations.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2007-09-12 03:37am

Sidewinder wrote:
"I'm sure that no one in Israel is indifferent to these scenes, which demonstrate that we as a society have failed in educating these youths and distancing them from crazy and dangerous ideologies."
It's quite refreshing to hear a politician say this instead of, "It's all [insert minority group here]'s fault!"

If he tried to fob this off to the Russian 'minority', he'd get kicked out of office so fast Reuters wouldn't even notice before it happened.

RIPP_n_WIPE · Post by **RIPP_n_WIPE** » 2007-09-12 09:56am

General Schatten wrote:
Big Orange wrote:Blah, I always think that "anti-Semitism" is much more of a euphemism than a accurate term anyway, just like calling Scandinavians "Aryan", Christianity is a direct cultural offshoot of Judaism and you get many Eastern European Muslims as well. In America I wouldn't be surprised if Neo-Nazi skinheads are Hispanic...
I think the most similair story to this I've heard come out of America was a Black member of the KKK who was a member of the NAACP at the same time.

K that is thoroughly confusing. Where did you hear that?

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-09-12 06:10pm

RIPP_n_WIPE wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Big Orange wrote:Blah, I always think that "anti-Semitism" is much more of a euphemism than a accurate term anyway, just like calling Scandinavians "Aryan", Christianity is a direct cultural offshoot of Judaism and you get many Eastern European Muslims as well. In America I wouldn't be surprised if Neo-Nazi skinheads are Hispanic...
I think the most similair story to this I've heard come out of America was a Black member of the KKK who was a member of the NAACP at the same time.

K that is thoroughly confusing. Where did you hear that?

Nope, nevermind, I was thinking of a black guy who was part of a Neo-Confederate Movement (Though I'll bet money most of the members are klansmen).