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Sen. Kennedy's response to Cheney law breaking

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Senator Edward M. Kennedy wrote:Dear _______,

Right now, the Vice President of the United States is
breaking the law.

Since 2003, Vice President Cheney has refused to comply with
Executive Order 12958, which "prescribes a uniform system
for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national
security information."

The Vice President claims he's exempt from presidential
executive orders because, as President of the Senate, he is
"attached" to the legislative branch. But the Senate has
even more stringent regulations on the handling of
classified material -- even more rules that the Vice
President hasn't followed. In typical fashion, the White
House will only say that this is an "interesting
constitutional question that people can debate."

Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution clearly
states:

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the
United States of America. He shall hold his office during
the term of four years, and, together with the Vice
President, chosen for the same term, be elected ..."

It's time to remind the Vice President that he can't ignore
our nation's laws. We're putting together a special copy of
the U.S. Constitution just for him -- one that has the 39
original signatures along with all of ours. Add your name
today and send a message to Dick Cheney:

http://www.democraticmajority.com/cheney

The Bush Administration refuses to hold itself accountable
for the protection of our national security, and Vice
President Cheney is a key part of the problem. It was his
office that leaked the identity of a CIA agent to the media.
He's part of an Administration under investigation for using
email accounts of the Republican National Committee to
conduct official government business. According to the
Washington Post:

"Across the board, the vice president's office goes to
unusual lengths to avoid transparency. Cheney declines to
disclose the names or even the size of his staff, generally
releases no public calendar and ordered the Secret Service
to destroy his visitor logs.

"...In the usual business of interagency consultation,
proposals and information flow into the vice president's
office from around the government, but high-ranking White
House officials said in interviews that almost nothing flows
out. Close aides to Cheney describe a similar one-way valve
inside the office, with information flowing up to the vice
president but little or no reaction flowing down."

Executive Order 12958 states that information must be
properly maintained "to protect our citizens, our democratic
institutions, and our participation within the community of
nations." President Bush amended and endorsed this order,
and Vice President Cheney's office complied with it until
2003. Effective oversight and transparency of our country's
most important documents are essential to accountability and
respect for the rule of law.

Under Dick Cheney's watch, some of our country's most
disgraceful moments have happened -- from Guantanamo Bay to
Abu Ghraib. Because of him, the Bush administration started
in secrecy, marched to war in secrecy and will end in
secrecy, all with great damage to our Constitution, to our
government and to the American people.

Tell Vice President Cheney he's not above the Constitution.
He can't rewrite the Constitution to suit himself.

http://www.democraticmajority.com/cheney

Sincerely,

Senator Edward M. Kennedy
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-I find it amazing that this sort of pussy footing is even considered by the surrendercrats. Do they think the blatant and extensive illegal action by the republicans like Cheney will simply go away with some dumb letter? The surrendercrats make the WW2 era French government look audacious and indomitable by comparison. So much for the rule of law, not that I thought it ever really existed in the first place, but this is just ridiculous. Frankly, republicans in the US gov. appear to be about as accountable to the law as Putin or the Chinese communist party.
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Excuse me... "surrendercrats" ?
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So, what would you do?
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:Excuse me... "surrendercrats" ?
Presumably referring to the democrats who find it pleasurable to bend over and let Bush give it to them up the ass, over and over again. Often when they hold every single apparent advantage.
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That makes much more sense... And is rather true... I just found it out of place in the contect here... It may be "only" a letter, but at least we have someone actually using the word "Illeagle" in the same sentance of Dick Cheney
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:That makes much more sense... And is rather true... I just found it out of place in the contect here... It may be "only" a letter, but at least we have someone actually using the word "Illeagle" in the same sentance of Dick Cheney
...And using said "strong language" to convince people to sign an Internet petition.
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Soooo, when are they going to get around to threatening to impeach Cheney?

It certainly seems like he's made himself abundantly elligible for impeachment, or is it too close to the election and they don't want to spend the time getting him out of office?

Out of office or not it sure seems like he deserves to be in prison.
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Kucinich already filed a motion to impeach Cheney. Write a letter to Rep. Conyers and ask him when it will be voted on in the Judiciary Committee.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:-I find it amazing that this sort of pussy footing is even considered by the surrendercrats.
Thanks a lot, dick... Now I have this mental image of Kennedy dressed up like a fat, drunken Liono holding the Pen of Omens up before the Senate screaming "Surrendercrats, Surrendercrats, SURRENDERCRATS! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"....
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Unfortunately, the Democrats are in a tough position. The Republicans are splintering. If the Democrats start throwing around threats to impeach the lame-duck president and VP, despicable as they are, all they will do is rekindle the Republican instinct to circle the wagons and Congress won't be able to get anything done.

Almost half the legislative branch is still composed of Bush butt-buddies. No matter how much they disagree with them, they won't impeach Bush or Cheney because that would be admitting that they were wrong. Smart Democrats aren't waving their cocks and chanting about impeachment, they are preparing for 2008.

(At least, I really really hope that's what's going on.)
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Surrendercrats? Maybe you missed the part about the House filing a motion to cut funds to the Veep's office?

Trying to mobilize the public while also doing other things is "pussy footing" how, exactly?
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-Please! I heard all this appologist bullshit for before. If you think simply filing some motion is the extent of congress's power that's just pathetic.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:-Please! I heard all this appologist bullshit for before. If you think simply filing some motion is the extent of congress's power that's just pathetic.
Taking away his office is 'pathetic'? What would you have done, as there's no way to get Impeachment past the lockstep GOP.
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Taking away his office is 'pathetic'? What would you have done, as there's no way to get Impeachment past the lockstep GOP.
Not to mention the Fact that the Democratic Congress current hold is rather fragile and now that I think about they are really not wanting to stick their necks out too far for the fear of being Labeled Anti-american traitor and having the public willing to swallow that up.

I really hope though that the democrats are not pushing too hard right now because they are hoping for the republicans to self-destruct as opposed to simply being weak and unwilling to offer an resistance to the current leadership.
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SirNitram wrote:
Nova Andromeda wrote:-Please! I heard all this appologist bullshit for before. If you think simply filing some motion is the extent of congress's power that's just pathetic.
Taking away his office is 'pathetic'? What would you have done, as there's no way to get Impeachment past the lockstep GOP.
-I'm not an expert on congressional powers, but the republicans have been flagrantly fouting the law for years which warrents a gov. shutdown if it comes to that. It really pisses me off how the appologists (who you are supporting with your post) have been whining about how there aren't any other options except bending over and taking it for 7 years now.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Nova Andromeda wrote:-Please! I heard all this appologist bullshit for before. If you think simply filing some motion is the extent of congress's power that's just pathetic.
Taking away his office is 'pathetic'? What would you have done, as there's no way to get Impeachment past the lockstep GOP.
-I'm not an expert on congressional powers, but the republicans have been flagrantly fouting the law for years which warrents a gov. shutdown if it comes to that. It really pisses me off how the appologists (who you are supporting with your post) have been whining about how there aren't any other options except bending over and taking it for 7 years now.
Do you remember what happened when the Republicans "shut down the government" by failing to fund it for several weeks back in 1995 and 1996? It contributed to Bill Clinton's re-election and the end of Newt Gingrich's political career. Not a smart move...
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Nova Andromeda wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Taking away his office is 'pathetic'? What would you have done, as there's no way to get Impeachment past the lockstep GOP.
-I'm not an expert on congressional powers, but the republicans have been flagrantly fouting the law for years which warrents a gov. shutdown if it comes to that. It really pisses me off how the appologists (who you are supporting with your post) have been whining about how there aren't any other options except bending over and taking it for 7 years now.
Do you remember what happened when the Republicans "shut down the government" by failing to fund it for several weeks back in 1995 and 1996? It contributed to Bill Clinton's re-election and the end of Newt Gingrich's political career. Not a smart move...
-Don't be an idiot. Using your reasoning Bush could be killing peole in the street and you'd still advocate sitting on your hands due to fear of a potential voter backlash!
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Do you remember what happened when the Republicans "shut down the government" by failing to fund it for several weeks back in 1995 and 1996? It contributed to Bill Clinton's re-election and the end of Newt Gingrich's political career. Not a smart move...
The difference is which side the assholes are on. In 1995 it was Newtie and his gang in Congress. This time, it's the Bush Crime Syndicate in the White House.
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Nova Andromeda wrote:-I'm not an expert on congressional powers, but the republicans have been flagrantly fouting the law for years which warrents a gov. shutdown if it comes to that. It really pisses me off how the appologists (who you are supporting with your post) have been whining about how there aren't any other options except bending over and taking it for 7 years now.
Well, if you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you'd realize how precious little power the minority has, so 'Seven years now' is really just 'A couple of months now'. Second off, defund the government? To what possible end? What would it accomplish, other than offer kindling to pundits, who love to pretend the Democrats are unpopular?

Honestly, Rahm's move forces Cheney to either lose his office and staff, or submit to investigation. What precisely does throwing a Newt style screaming fit net? What objective worth is there to such an infantile move?
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Patrick Degan wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Do you remember what happened when the Republicans "shut down the government" by failing to fund it for several weeks back in 1995 and 1996? It contributed to Bill Clinton's re-election and the end of Newt Gingrich's political career. Not a smart move...
The difference is which side the assholes are on. In 1995 it was Newtie and his gang in Congress. This time, it's the Bush Crime Syndicate in the White House.
If you think that'll make a difference when it comes to motivating the GOP base, you're not understanding how thorough the brainwashing is. Shutting down the government is really fairly pointless. Nice open investigations where all the dirty laundry gets slapped in the air for all to retch at the smell work better at demolishing the GOP for a longer period.
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-Don't be an idiot. Using your reasoning Bush could be killing peole in the street and you'd still advocate sitting on your hands due to fear of a potential voter backlash!
And if we allow gay marriage then people will be having threesomes with family members in the streets!

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Kennedy is a fucktard, period. How the fuck can he call anybody out for Lawbreaking? Jesus.

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Darth Mortis wrote:Kennedy is a fucktard, period. How the fuck can he call anybody out for Lawbreaking? Jesus.

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SirNitram wrote:
Nova Andromeda wrote:-I'm not an expert on congressional powers, but the republicans have been flagrantly fouting the law for years which warrents a gov. shutdown if it comes to that. It really pisses me off how the appologists (who you are supporting with your post) have been whining about how there aren't any other options except bending over and taking it for 7 years now.
Well, if you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you'd realize how precious little power the minority has, so 'Seven years now' is really just 'A couple of months now'. Second off, defund the government? To what possible end? What would it accomplish, other than offer kindling to pundits, who love to pretend the Democrats are unpopular?

Honestly, Rahm's move forces Cheney to either lose his office and staff, or submit to investigation. What precisely does throwing a Newt style screaming fit net? What objective worth is there to such an infantile move?
-Like I said before, I'm not an expert on congressional power so I don't know what all the options are. However, if it is a choice between toothless guestures and a real fight it's well past time for a real fight. During the supreme court nominations the democrats thought they had sufficient power to gum up the works on a continual basis. I would not call that a "little power."
-The primary problem the surrendercrats have with public relations is that they are viewed in the same way as the school yard nerd while the republicans occupy the position of the school yard bully. They simply reek of cowardly weakness and that's the last thing the public is going to support. The surrendercrats have dug this hole so deep that it will take a long hard fight to fix the problem. However, if they ever want to be taken seriously by the legions of irrational voters they need to stand up for their positions and fight back. Appeasement only encourages bullies. WW2 is a glaring example of how well that policy tends to work.
-Rahm's move is a half measure at best. It has yet to even pass, it's a move by only one surrendercrat as opposed to a concerted effort by all the surrendercrats, and Cheney can probably just run out the clock anyhow. This isn't about throwing a screaming fit over what color the tax code book should be. Cheney flouted yet another major law! The appropriate thing to do is ARREST THE FUCKING CRIMINAL! The law is absolutely clear. It's only a matter of enforcement.
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SirNitram wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Do you remember what happened when the Republicans "shut down the government" by failing to fund it for several weeks back in 1995 and 1996? It contributed to Bill Clinton's re-election and the end of Newt Gingrich's political career. Not a smart move...
The difference is which side the assholes are on. In 1995 it was Newtie and his gang in Congress. This time, it's the Bush Crime Syndicate in the White House.
If you think that'll make a difference when it comes to motivating the GOP base, you're not understanding how thorough the brainwashing is. Shutting down the government is really fairly pointless. Nice open investigations where all the dirty laundry gets slapped in the air for all to retch at the smell work better at demolishing the GOP for a longer period.
-Airing the GOP's dirty laundry only helps if you actually make them pay the legal price for it. It you show the world how bad they really are and then let them get away with it you've made the problem far worse.
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