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58% of Mexicans think the US Southwest belongs to them.

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Mexicans Say Southwest U.S. Belongs to Them;
Shouldn't Need Permission to Enter U.S.

Americans and Mexicans have widely divergent views of border issues, according to a new poll by Zogby International.

Zogby found that a large majority of the Mexican population believes the southwest territory of the U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico, and that Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without first obtaining U.S. permission. By contrast, Zogby's survey of Americans conducted within a few days of the Mexican poll shows a large majority supports reducing immigration levels and wants the military deployed along the border to protect the U.S. from illegal immigration.

Zogby's poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "the territory of the United States' Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Only 28 percent disagree, and 14 percent are unsure.

A similar majority, 57 percent, agree with the statement, "Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission," while 35 percent disagree. Seven percent are unsure.

The survey has a margin of error of 3.5 percent. The Mexico portion of the survey was conducted in Spanish between May 25 and May 26 among 801 adults chosen at random throughout Mexico. The poll was commissioned by Americans for Immigration Control, Inc. (AIC), which advocates increased restrictions on immigration.

"There is obviously a large and significant gap between the attitudes of Americans and Mexicans," said Robert Goldsborough, AIC president. "While most Americans want immigration reduced, most Mexicans think they don't even need permission to enter our country. The poll clearly shows there is less common ground for immigration negotiations between Mexico and the U.S. than the leaders think. Support for a porous border and a loose migration policy occurs only on the Mexican side, not in the U.S."

Zogby's survey of American attitudes found wide majorities of Americans also oppose amnesty for illegal aliens. The U.S. portion of the survey was conducted of 1,015 likely voters in the U.S. from May 28 to May 30. It found that 65 percent disagree with the statement, "foreigners residing illegally in the U.S. should be given amnesty." Just 26 percent of likely voters support amnesty for illegals, while 9 percent are unsure.

A large majority, 58 percent, agree that the U.S. should "admit fewer immigrants each year." Only 6 percent want "more immigrants each year," and 30 percent want to "keep immigration at the current annual levels."

The single largest majority in the entire poll was found among Americans supporting use of the military to guard the border. Fully 68 percent of those surveyed agree with the statement, "the U.S. should deploy military troops on the border as a temporary measure to help the U.S. Border Patrol curb illegal immigration." Only 28 percent disagree, and 3 percent are unsure.
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I accidentally put this in Off-Topic by mistake, but deleted it and reposted it here. Anyway, it's somewhat worrisome when taken into context with the new immigration reform bill that could potentially make twelve million illegal immigrants citizens, if almost seven million new citizens are more loyal to Mexico than their new home. The site has a link to the Zogby report in its original form.
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Oh come on. It's been more than a century and a half since we beat the shit out of the Mexicans for that land. Get over it. Jesus. Besides, when we got the Mexican Cession, it was sparsely populated. Either Mexican government hadn't done a good job of encouraging settlement, or the people weren't so inclined. Now that the US Government has spent its money developing the land, they're all over it.
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I wonder how many Southerners still beleive they were in the right over the Civil War?

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wolveraptor wrote:Oh come on. It's been more than a century and a half since we beat the shit out of the Mexicans for that land. Get over it. Jesus. Besides, when we got the Mexican Cession, it was sparsely populated. Either Mexican government hadn't done a good job of encouraging settlement, or the people weren't so inclined. Now that the US Government has spent its money developing the land, they're all over it.
If they want it that bad, they can always declare war and try to take it back. In fact, the US government should encourage the Mexicans to try, as I expect the subsequent curbstomp to do wonders for the morale of our armed forces.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:Oh come on. It's been more than a century and a half since we beat the shit out of the Mexicans for that land. Get over it. Jesus. Besides, when we got the Mexican Cession, it was sparsely populated. Either Mexican government hadn't done a good job of encouraging settlement, or the people weren't so inclined. Now that the US Government has spent its money developing the land, they're all over it.
If they want it that bad, they can always declare war and try to take it back. In fact, the US government should encourage the Mexicans to try, as I expect the subsequent curbstomp to do wonders for the morale of our armed forces.
Yeah, because the US armed forces just love killing brown people. You said it, man. :P
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Adrian Laguna wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:Oh come on. It's been more than a century and a half since we beat the shit out of the Mexicans for that land. Get over it. Jesus. Besides, when we got the Mexican Cession, it was sparsely populated. Either Mexican government hadn't done a good job of encouraging settlement, or the people weren't so inclined. Now that the US Government has spent its money developing the land, they're all over it.
If they want it that bad, they can always declare war and try to take it back. In fact, the US government should encourage the Mexicans to try, as I expect the subsequent curbstomp to do wonders for the morale of our armed forces.
Meh, this could be our chance to do some good all the way around. We give them Alabama and Oklahoma, possibly Texas. They get some land back we 'stole', they get out of Mexico and a new start, we lose a serious drag on our society.

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Keep Texas. They have oil and the Dallas cowboy cheerleaders. Let's give 'em Kansas instead.
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Flagg wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:If they want it that bad, they can always declare war and try to take it back. In fact, the US government should encourage the Mexicans to try, as I expect the subsequent curbstomp to do wonders for the morale of our armed forces.
Yeah, because the US armed forces just love killing brown people. You said it, man. :P
It has more to do with the fact that finally they'll get a conventional opponent to beat-up. If killing brown people was all they cared about, Iraq would have morale soaring at unprecedented levels.
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For the sake of argument, I'm not sure why the Mexicans (a government largely descended from a Spanish power structure, I think) has the right to land it stole from the first nations in the area.

In other words, I doubt there's more than a handful of areas on the planet that haven't changed hands between conquerers at some point. Hell, I don't know if there are any. Nobody has a 100% concrete right to any land anywhere.
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Antarctica? Not that anyone *owns* land there...
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Knife wrote:
Adrian Laguna wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:<snip>
Meh, this could be our chance to do some good all the way around. We give them Alabama and Oklahoma, possibly Texas. They get some land back we 'stole', they get out of Mexico and a new start, we lose a serious drag on our society.

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Re: 58% of Mexicans think the US Southwest belongs to them.

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Mexicans Say Southwest U.S. Belongs to Them;
Shouldn't Need Permission to Enter U.S.
Tough luck it belongs to us now, we have the paperwork and the gun to prove it
Zogby found that a large majority of the Mexican population believes the southwest territory of the U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico,
They got it backwards, during the war the legitimate government fled to Guatemala, we had to install a puppet inorder to sign the paper.

Simply put, ALL of Mexico "rightfully" belongs to the U.S. Mexico only remains an independent sovereignty through our good graces
and that Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without first obtaining U.S. permission. By contrast, Zogby's survey of Americans conducted within a few days of the Mexican poll shows a large majority supports reducing immigration levels and wants the military deployed along the border to protect the U.S. from illegal immigration.
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The Mexicans want jobs and a chance for a better life

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wolveraptor wrote:Keep Texas. They have oil and the Dallas cowboy cheerleaders.
Suck out the oil, transfer the cheerleaders to say, California ( and guess where I'm at :wink: ), THEN give them Texas. Hell, give them Texas whether they want it or not. Don't wait for them to ask.

I do find the American poll numbers over immigration silly. Given the amount of benefits America has gotten from immigrants, wanting fewer strikes me as foolish. And given how much our economy leans on poor Mexican immigrants for cheap labor, I wonder how long we'd see numbers like this if the military or whatever actually succeeded in more or less stopping illegal immigration.
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Why all the haters on Texas.

I mean, at least our state government functions, and doesn't have majority of our budget locked in place by idiotic referendums. Like, say California. :P


Also, I don't need a male nurse from Utah critiquing the Lonestar Republic. :wink:
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Lonestar wrote:Why all the haters on Texas.
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Pff...there was hate before Dubya was on the National stage, and you know it.


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Aeolus wrote: Says the poster from Utah :D
Meh, Utah is fucked up, but no where in the league as Alabama or Oklahoma or most of the third world shithole we call the bible belt.
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It's the near Nationalistic way many Texans are, I've never seen so many State Flags, it makes me understand how Canadians feel when they see all the American Flags, Texas is to the rest of Americans as America is to Canadians. And God help you if you say anything that could be taken as negative to Texas. Then there's the fact that it's TOO GOD DAMNED HOT, but that might just be because I may as well have been born a Polar Bear. :wink:
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Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that
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Lonestar wrote:Pff...there was hate before Dubya was on the National stage, and you know it.


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Lonestar wrote:I am a citizen of Texas, and 49 lesser states.
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Lonestar wrote:Why all the haters on Texas.

I mean, at least our state government functions
Oh, is that what you call what happens in Austin? 8)
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While I was a bit surprised to see the Mexican percentages as high as they are, it does at least give some insight to their mindset which was interesting. It's also irritating to see our government so completely out of touch with the majority of America on such a large issue.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Oh, is that what you call what happens in Austin? 8)


Having lived in both California and Texas, the answer is yes :)
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The Mexicans can have Houston. It's covered in smog just like Mexico City, so they can feel right at home.
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