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RedImperator wrote:That's not really the situation. There aren't any parents saying, "Little Johnny doesn't need an education; he's going to sell crack." If they've lived long enough to have a kid in high school, they have enough dead friends to know what kind of future a drug dealer has.
If you say so. I find it hard to explain attempts at reasonable education reform and enforcing bare minimum standards any other way though. Is there anything you'd care to share about this?
The education reform cycle goes like this: everybody agrees the schools are performing inadequately. Someone--a politician, an administrator, an education theorist, doesn't really matter--comes up with a scheme to fix it. In the process of selling this scheme, its proponents promise the world, dismiss critics as obstructionist, drastically underestimate the difficulty of implementation, forget about other interlocking problems (or assume they will just go away), and ignore entirely the possibility of unintended consequences. The reform eventually goes through, fails to deliver what it promised, and everybody in the system gets more cynical about education reform. NCLB is the most recent reform to follow this pattern, and the most spectacular failure. The unfortunate thing is, this cycle claims good and bad reforms. NCLB was flawed from the beginning, but a lot of good ideas crash and burn for the same basic reasons.

There are smaller scale, grassroots reforms going on which are working. Charter schools are a big example: small public high schools, with selective admissions, which are tailored to a particular kind of student. Philadelphia's charter schools have been a success while the rest of the system has been falling flat on its face--there's a school for the arts, a school for math and science, a school for the gifted, et cetera. There's a developing trend in big city school districts to break up large consolidated high schools and create a number of smaller, more flexible schools which can take their students' particular needs into account; how well this will work in the face of increasingly centralized curriculum control and chronic budget shortfalls will remain to be seen.
That assumes that the state is relatively non-partisan and that the damage isn't already done. I know in my state, Michigan, the Democratic party is heavily indebted to Detroit voters and so they seek to appease them at the expense of real reform. A lot of it consists of nothing more than superficial, pork barrel "education" projects that yield no increase in the actual results. Second, even a perfectly honest politician would be dealing with a school system that's a joke and might as well be a juvie-prison rather than a place of learning.
I don't see how this supports your argument that democratic decision making at the school board level is the problem; this just sounds like incompetent central control instead of incompetent local control. Politicians polishing turds instead of undertaking actual reform is a universal problem, not one limited to Michigan. Pork is easy; reform is hard.
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Which covers why reform efforts get stifled. But it really doesn't go far at all in explaining why parents push for illiterate, innumerate students to be allowed to graduate? Maybe it's mass denial but I find it really hard to believe that phenomenon is not connected to a certain low expectation of the skills their children will need in life.
RedImperator wrote:I don't see how this supports your argument that democratic decision making at the school board level is the problem; this just sounds like incompetent central control instead of incompetent local control. Politicians polishing turds instead of undertaking actual reform is a universal problem, not one limited to Michigan. Pork is easy; reform is hard.
It's not the level of the democratic decision making, it's the fact that democratic decision making is involved at all.

I don't believe that popular opinion and voter appeal should be the primary factors in decisions about education. It's the fact that hard solutions are deferred for quick fixes or lame ideas. It's the fact that ignorant, if not malicious, people are trying to force their ideas onto everyone. And programs like bilingual education, which have a place, become political fodder. Subjecting education of all things to the lowest common denominator of politics brings with it a whole host of ills.
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RedImperator wrote:[Snip]
Which covers why reform efforts get stifled. But it really doesn't go far at all in explaining why parents push for illiterate, innumerate students to be allowed to graduate? Maybe it's mass denial but I find it really hard to believe that phenomenon is not connected to a certain low expectation of the skills their children will need in life.
Unless you have numbers that say otherwise, I'll have a very hard time believing that this phenomenon is anywhere near large enough or widespread enough to be the main obstacle to useful educational standards. There are certainly individual parents who wail and cry or try to game the system to get their child a diploma despite not meeting the requirements, but I haven't seen anything like a mass movement to keep standards low, either personally or in any professional literature.
It's not the level of the democratic decision making, it's the fact that democratic decision making is involved at all.

I don't believe that popular opinion and voter appeal should be the primary factors in decisions about education. It's the fact that hard solutions are deferred for quick fixes or lame ideas. It's the fact that ignorant, if not malicious, people are trying to force their ideas onto everyone. And programs like bilingual education, which have a place, become political fodder. Subjecting education of all things to the lowest common denominator of politics brings with it a whole host of ills.
Well, what's your solution? This is a republic--elected politicians set policy goals, appoint the bureaucrats who implement them, and allocate funds to pay for it. The day-to-day decision making and most of the smaller policy making is done by administrators already; I don't see how you can limit political involvement any further, not on an issue with as much public interest as education.
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The New York Daily News wrote: My faith is in cash

City's public education stinks, so I gave Catholic schools $22.5M

BY ERIN EINHORN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Posted Sunday, June 3rd 2007, 4:00 AM
Robert Wilson

Giving $22 million to Catholic schools makes Robert Wilson smile.

Robert Wilson admits he knows nothing about education and doesn't believe in God.

But the 80-year-old atheist millionaire says he decided to bankroll the city's Catholic schools because if people are willing to pay the tuition, the schools must be better.

"Kids' families will pay to get into the Catholic schools when they could go to public school for free," Wilson told the Daily News. "Kids want to get out of the public schools. ... It's the market. It's what they're doing."

Wilson's $22.5 million contribution to help poor families pay for tuition at Catholic schools was the largest in the history of the Archdiocese of New York

In an exclusive interview, Wilson told The News he donated the money because the "helping hand" should extend to people who help themselves.

"And to the extent that they don't help themselves, then f--- 'em," he said.

To qualify for the scholarships, the families he's funding must pay at least $500 a year for tuition, proving they're helping themselves. Still, he does worry a bit about those who can't afford to pay anything.

"The f--- 'em category is a much smaller number of people than are being f---ed currently," he said.

Despite his profane vocabulary, the retired Wall Streeter speaks in joyful tones, as though everything he says amuses him. He lives a charmed life in an art-filled apartment in the upper West Side's San Remo towers. His wraparound terrace overlooks the lush treetops of Central Park.

He travels to the great opera houses of the world. And while at home, he's been focusing on giving away 70% of his net worth - reportedly about $600 million - before he dies.

Born the son of an insurance agent in a stately Detroit neighborhood ("Petit-bourgeois," he said), Wilson worked as a University of Michigan fellow after World War II, teaching economics to the flood of returning vets on the G.I. Bill.

He came to New York in 1949 and soon turned $15,000 into a fortune, in part through shorting stocks - betting that firms would tank.

As such, he says, he knows a dog when he sees one. And that's what he sees when he looks at the city's public schools.

They're "a horror and an outrage," he said. "I wouldn't give a nickel to the public school system. ... That's just throwing good money after bad."

Wilson, who was married but has no children, is himself the product of public schools. But that was back before teachers were unionized, he said.

Wilson angered city teachers union President Randi Weingarten when he used the announcement of his big gift last month to blame unions for the problems with schools.

And, during his 90-minute sitdown with The News, he continued his assault, repeatedly knocking unions for "feather-bedding" and creating a "rigidity" that hurts kids.

He said he wants to help Catholic schools both because he thinks they're better and because they're "under siege" from unions determined to "deprive them of a shred of government money."

Until this year, he'd given relatively small amounts - about $10,000 a year - to Catholic schools. But he decided to donate much more when he realized he could pay for 3,000 kids to attend Catholic schools for five years.

Wilson is a Republican, like his father, but mostly he identifies himself as a libertarian.

"I believe in sodomy and the free market," he said.

Those aren't exactly ideals supported by the Catholic church he's now lavishing with money.

The church also doesn't seem like the perfect beneficiary for the grandson of an Episcopal preacher. (Wilson stopped going to church when, he said, he realized "it isn't true.") But that's not the point, he said.

"I have given to subsidize students to attend schools sponsored by that religious organization," he said. "I would no more give money to St. Patrick's Cathedral so it could burnish its altar than I would give money to the UFT."

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Of course a rich guy like him would be libertarian. Still, at least he isn't the super-dick kind who completely blames the poor for their own problems.
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