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Fear Mongering, courtesy of Kathleen Parker

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The Chicago Tribune wrote:When topic is terror, surveys are misleading
Published May 30, 2007

What a relief to read in a new Pew Research Center study that Muslims in America are "largely assimilated, happy with their lives, and moderate with respect to many of the issues that have divided Muslims and Westerners around the world."

Phew. Praise Allah. No more worries.

On the other hand, the study's findings may depend on how you define "largely."

Here's another way of putting the Pew results: While a majority of older U.S. Muslims have largely been assimilated, more than a few younger Muslims think suicide bombings are justified.

Having trouble remembering where you put those pompoms? Stick around. Despite the upbeat treatment of the Pew study -- and headlines that conveyed a positive message -- the devil in the details is less reassuring.

In fact, the survey found that though a majority of the 1,050 surveyed (a fraction of the Pew's estimated 2.35 million Muslims in this country) are prospering, a significant minority are not being assimilated and sympathize with radical Islam.

There is good news among the survey results, to be sure, especially if you're Muslim. In classically American fashion, 71 percent think that one can get ahead by working hard and 78 percent report being happy. In delightful news, those who report being happiest are Muslims ages 18-29, who also make up 30 percent of the total U.S. Muslim population.

In less happy news, these young Muslims are also more accepting of Islamist extremism. Add to that disconcerting note the following:

Sixty percent of the young group consider themselves Muslim first, American second. Among all young Muslims, 26 percent think suicide bombings are justified often, sometimes or rarely. Another 5 percent said they "don't know" or refused to answer.

Don't know? To kill civilians or not to kill civilians is not a tricky question.

If 26 percent are fine with suicide bombing and another 5 percent probably are, then we may reasonably conclude that 31 percent of young American Muslims -- or roughly 219,000 -- support murdering innocents in the name of Islam. Peachy. Given that Sept. 11, 2001, was a supersize suicide bombing, it would seem we have a problem.

In another finding of Muslim-American disconnect, fewer than half of all American Muslims believe that Arabs engineered the Sept. 11 attacks. Another third expressed no opinion or refused to answer. That means the vast majority of Muslims in America think ... what? That the U.S. attacked itself? That Israel did it?

While a majority of Muslims of all ages view Al Qaeda "very unfavorably" (58 percent), an alarming number seem to be ambivalent. A whopping 27 percent said they didn't know how they felt toward the terrorist organization or refused to answer the question. An immigrant population that does not recognize the enemy of its adopted country cannot be said to have assimilated. Nevertheless, the Pew study authors tell us that compared to Europe, we're in good shape. Yes, sure, "there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others," concede the authors. "... Nonetheless, absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim-Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world."

In other words, presumably, we should be grateful that only 200,000 or so local Muslims support terrorism. In Europe, where many young Muslims are unemployed and alienated, things are much worse. True, but seldom does America measure success according to a things-could-be-worse standard.

"Not so great" is bad enough for reasoned alarm.

All of the study's conclusions depend, meanwhile, on whether one trusts its population figures, which Pew warns should be interpreted with caution. Since this was a telephone survey using only land lines -- and given that 48 percent of Americans age 18-29 use cells phones exclusively -- the number of young Muslims could be much higher than estimated. The truth is, no one knows how many Muslims live in the U.S. because the Census Bureau doesn't ask about religious identity. Muslim organizations put the figure at closer to 7 million based on mosque attendance.

If there are 7 million Muslims in the U.S., 30 percent of whom are young, 31 percent of whom do not forswear suicide bombings, then that could mean that as many as 651,000 young Muslim-Americans sympathize with radical Islam and terrorism.

All things considered, it may be too soon to celebrate Muslim assimilation. Let's do hold the fireworks. ---------- Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist based in Washington. E-mail: [email protected]
This is the letter I'm writing to the Trib to express my disgust. Comments and criticisms, please.
I wrote:Kathleen Parker's May 30th article was a travesty. She seems to have stuffed it to the brim with logical fallacies and double standards. Take, for instance, her horror at the fact that 60% of all Muslims aged 18-29 consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second. I notice she never bothers to compare these percentages with those of Christians. According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second. This statistic is arguably worse, as American Christians are often a part of sects that originated in America itself, a marked distinction from American Muslims. But of course, no one worries about that. After all, no one has ever been hurt by Christian religious extremism, right?
Later, she insists that if you think suicide bombings (a phrase which, in her mind, is completely synonymous with attacking civilians) are often, sometimes, or rarely justified, you, by default, supported 9/11. This nonsensical notion absolutely reeks of right-wing paranoia. Even more ridiculous is her assumption that those 5% who did not respond the the survey question sided with the terrorists. She seems to entertain the notion that, when discussing Muslims, we should feel free to begin with the a priori assumption that they are freedom-hating jihadists.
Ms. Parker seems to be intent on spreading the same kind of fear-mongering alarmism that gave Bush and his cronies almost a decade to make a mockery of the office the President of the United States.
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Ghetto edit: also, does anyone know stastics about how many Americans still believe that 9/11 was engineered by Saddam? The only links I can find are from 2003.
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How about this?

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archive ... 32406h.htm

The percentage of American Christians who support the use of torture is twice as high as the percentage of American Muslims who support the use of suicide bombing.
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Darth Wong wrote:How about this?

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archive ... 32406h.htm

The percentage of American Christians who support the use of torture is twice as high as the percentage of American Muslims who support the use of suicide bombing.
Nice, although I can't say I'm overly surprised by the statistic.

Here's the revised letter.
Kathleen Parker's May 30th article was a travesty. She seems to have stuffed it to the brim with logical fallacies and double standards. Take, for instance, her horror at the fact that 60% of all Muslims aged 18-29 consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second. I notice she never bothers to compare these percentages with those of Christians. According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second. This statistic is arguably worse, as American Christians are supposed to be highly integrated (most of them being native-born). But of course, no one worries about that. After all, no one has ever been hurt by Christian religious extremism, right?
Later in the article, she insists that if you think suicide bombings (a phrase which, in her mind, is completely synonymous with attacking civilians) are often, sometimes, or rarely justified, you, by default, supported 9/11. This nonsensical notion absolutely reeks of right-wing paranoia. Even more ridiculous is her assumption that those 5% who did not respond the the survey question sided with the terrorists. She seems to entertain the notion that, when discussing Muslims, we should feel free to begin with the a priori assumption that they are freedom-hating jihadists.
Indeed, the whole idea of grouping someone who advocates suicide bombing often with one who advocates it sometimes or rarely is fallacious. Were we to use her logic, 2 out of 3 Americans would be considered in support of torture, according to a 2006 Pew Research Center study. Despite this fact, the events at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib were met with strong disapproval by the general public. Parker, after all her bluster about the "devil in the details" of PRC study on Islamic extremism, seems to have overlooked certain details herself.
Ms. Parker seems to be intent on spreading the same kind of fear-mongering alarmism that gave Bush and his cronies almost a decade to make a mockery of the office the President of the United States.
This may be getting a little long. Also, I'm concerned about whether it's too harshly worded.
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wolveraptor wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:How about this?

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archive ... 32406h.htm

The percentage of American Christians who support the use of torture is twice as high as the percentage of American Muslims who support the use of suicide bombing.
Nice, although I can't say I'm overly surprised by the statistic.

Here's the revised letter.
Kathleen Parker's May 30th article was a travesty. She seems to have stuffed it to the brim with logical fallacies and double standards. Take, for instance, her horror at the fact that 60% of all Muslims aged 18-29 consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second. I notice she never bothers to compare these percentages with those of Christians. According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second. This statistic is arguably worse, as American Christians are supposed to be highly integrated (most of them being native-born). But of course, no one worries about that. After all, no one has ever been hurt by Christian religious extremism, right?
Later in the article, she insists that if you think suicide bombings (a phrase which, in her mind, is completely synonymous with attacking civilians) are often, sometimes, or rarely justified, you, by default, supported 9/11. This nonsensical notion absolutely reeks of right-wing paranoia. Even more ridiculous is her assumption that those 5% who did not respond the the survey question sided with the terrorists. She seems to entertain the notion that, when discussing Muslims, we should feel free to begin with the a priori assumption that they are freedom-hating jihadists.
Indeed, the whole idea of grouping someone who advocates suicide bombing often with one who advocates it sometimes or rarely is fallacious. Were we to use her logic, 2 out of 3 Americans would be considered in support of torture, according to a 2006 Pew Research Center study. Despite this fact, the events at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib were met with strong disapproval by the general public. Parker, after all her bluster about the "devil in the details" of PRC study on Islamic extremism, seems to have overlooked certain details herself.
Ms. Parker seems to be intent on spreading the same kind of fear-mongering alarmism that gave Bush and his cronies almost a decade to make a mockery of the office the President of the United States.
This may be getting a little long. Also, I'm concerned about whether it's too harshly worded.
No way it gets published in that state.
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wolveraptor wrote:According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second.
You realize that many of the readers will either think this is a good thing or that the problem is that the number needs to be higher. Put a little more emphasis on how its a complete double standard.
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Darth Servo wrote:
wolveraptor wrote:According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second.
You realize that many of the readers will either think this is a good thing or that the problem is that the number needs to be higher. Put a little more emphasis on how its a complete double standard.
Here's a revised version with a few sentences cut out, and some unclear points changed. Is it still too long and harsh?
Kathleen Parker's May 30th article was a travesty. She seems to have stuffed it to the brim with logical fallacies and double standards. Take, for instance, her horror at the fact that 60% of all Muslims aged 18-29 consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second. I notice she never bothers to compare these percentages with those of Christians. According to another study by the Pew Research Center, 42% of all Americans think of themselves as Christians first and Americans second. This is an extraordinarily high percentage for a by-and-large native-born demographic, yet no one ever accuses them of a lack of patriotism.
Later in the article, she insists that if you think suicide bombings (a phrase which, in her mind, is completely synonymous with attacking civilians) are often, sometimes, or rarely justified, you, by default, supported 9/11. Even more ridiculous is her assumption that those 5% who did not respond the the survey question sided with the terrorists. She seems to entertain the notion that, when discussing Muslims, we should feel free to begin with the a priori assumption that they are freedom-hating jihadists.
Indeed, the whole idea of grouping someone who advocates suicide bombing often with one who advocates it sometimes or rarely is fallacious. Were we to use her logic, 2 out of 3 Americans would be considered in support of torture, according to a 2006 Pew Research Center study. Despite this fact, the events at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib were met with strong disapproval by the general public. Parker, after all her bluster about the "devil in the details" of PRC study on Islamic extremism, seems to have overlooked some of the minutae herself.
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Darth Wong wrote:How about this?

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archive ... 32406h.htm

The percentage of American Christians who support the use of torture is twice as high as the percentage of American Muslims who support the use of suicide bombing.
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