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CNN wrote:ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A man infected with the extensively drug-resistant form of TB known as XDR TB knew he was not supposed to travel overseas but did so anyway, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Julie Gerberding told CNN's "American Morning" on Wednesday.

The man, who is quarantined at an Atlanta, Georgia, hospital, told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that Fulton County health officials had said they "preferred" he not travel, but knew about his plans for an overseas wedding and honeymoon.

CNN is trying to contact the man and his family.

The man and Gerberding both said it wasn't until he was in Europe that his diagnosis of XDR TB was confirmed by lab tests. ( TB patient quarantined after traveling )

He was then contacted while on his honeymoon in Italy last week by CDC officials and asked to turn himself over to Italian health authorities, he told the newspaper. (Patient disputes what CDC told him )

Gerberding said health officials "usually rely on a covenant of trust to assume that a person with tuberculosis just isn't going to go into a situation where they would transmit disease to someone else."

"The patient really was told that he shouldn't fly," she added.

"The patient himself was not highly infectious" but there still was a small risk he could transmit the disease to someone else, Gerberding told CNN.

It is the first time in 40 years the federal government has issued a quarantine order for an individual. Gerberding acknowledged that "we kind of had to make up a plan as we went along."

The CDC director announced Tuesday that federal health officials are looking for people who may have been seated near the man during the two trans-Atlantic flights. (XDR TB leaves doctors with few treatment options)

He departed Atlanta on May 12 aboard Air France Flight 385 and arrived in Paris the next day, she said at the news conference. He returned last Thursday to North America aboard Czech Air Flight 0104 from Prague, Czech Republic, to Montreal, Canada, then drove into the United States.

Those most at risk would have been seated within two rows of the man, Gerberding said.

Newer-model planes use HEPA filters that are able to trap the long, rod-shaped tuberculosis bacilli, according to the CDC.

The man told the newspaper he was aware he was placed on a no-fly list in the United States after his recent diagnosis with XDR TB, which is why he decided to fly into Canada.

He told the newspaper that he asked the CDC whether they would provide a jet for him to return home, and was told there was no money for it.

But Gerberding told CNN, "I don't think that that's an accurate description of what actually happened involving the CDC."

"We were doing everything we could to try to find a way to get him home," she said. "In fact, the irony is that when we were no longer able to reach him, we were even preparing to send the CDC plane to Europe to bring him home at government expense."

She noted that it was Memorial Day weekend and because of the holiday, "it took some time to get all the pieces together."

The man told the newspaper that a CDC staff member told him to turn himself into Italian health authorities where he would be put in isolation and given medical treatment. He said he sneaked back into the country because he feared "an unsuccessful treatment in Italy would have doomed him," the newspaper reported.

The man is in isolation at Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital and "is required to stay in isolation until the responsible public health officials deem that he is no longer infectious to others," according to Gerberding.

An armed guard stands outside his room.

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XDR TB was recently defined as a subtype of multiple-drug resistant tuberculosis.

People with XDR TB are resistant to first- and second-line drugs; their treatment options are limited and the disease often proves fatal.

It can take between six and 16 weeks for a final diagnosis of XDR TB.

Health officials determined the man had a multiple-drug resistant form of TB on May 11, a day before he left for Paris, Dr. Stuart Brown, director of Georgia's Division of Public Health, told CNN.

He had met with county health officials and his doctors that same day to discuss his risk, Brown said.

"The Fulton County folks gave him a verbal warning of the danger and the prohibition against travel on May 11," Brown said, noting that the patient's reaction set off some alarm bells.

"They were so concerned by his interaction in this discussion that they went back and hand-delivered a letter reiterating that he remain isolated and not travel," Brown said, adding that at that time, "a plan of treatment was put together."

However, when they arrived to deliver the letter later that day, he had already left, Brown said.

On May 17, the CDC was called in to test for XDR TB and the tests came back positive on either May 21 or 22, he said.

The man told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he planned to undergo an 18-month "cutting-edge treatment" at a Denver, Colorado, hospital after his honeymoon, something he said his private doctor and government health officials were aware of.

The man returned via Canada and entered the United States by driving through the border crossing at Champlain, New York.

Customs and Border Protection spokesman Kevin Corsaro said the man did not appear sick to border agents.

CBP said it has not changed its screening or security precautions as a result of the case.

Once he returned to the United States, the man was contacted by health officials, who required that he go to an isolation hospital in New York City for evaluation, said Dr. Martin Cetron, the CDC's chief of quarantine.

"He drove himself there voluntarily."

A spokesman for New York's Bellevue Hospital confirmed that the man was treated at the medical facility for 72 hours.

He was kept under quarantine at the hospital and did not travel on any form of public transportation while in New York, the city's health department said,

"We have no information to suggest anyone in New York City is at any risk associated with this case," the department said in a news release.

Asked if he preferred to stay in New York or return to his family in Atlanta for treatment, the man chose the latter option, said Cetron. At that point, the CDC used one of its planes to fly the patient to Atlanta on Monday, an unusual use of agency resources, Gerberding acknowledged.

XDR TB
Between 1993 and 2006, 49 people were diagnosed with XDR TB in the United States, said Dr. Ken Castro, director of the division of TB Elimination at CDC.

But the disease is more common elsewhere, he said. "When they looked, they found it in every single continent of the world," he said.

WHO estimates that there were almost half a million cases of multiple-drug-resistant tuberculosis worldwide in 2004.

People with TB of the lungs, the site most commonly affected, can spread the disease by coughing, sneezing or even talking.

"A person needs only to breathe in a small number of these germs to become infected (although only a small proportion of people will become infected with TB disease)," the WHO said on its Web site.

"The risk of becoming infected increases the longer the time that a previously uninfected person spends in the same room as the infectious case," it added.

Cure is possible for up to 30 percent of cases, it said.

No one at the disease agency recalls the agency issuing a quarantine order since 1963, when a possible case of exposure to smallpox emerged, she said.
I have to say this guy strikes me as a bit of a selfish twat. I know that it would be very difficult and possibly rather expensive to call off a destination wedding in Greece, but it seems callous to possibly expose random people to TB on your flight.

And then once you know you have a deadly drug resistant strain of TB, instead of turning yourself over to the health authorities like you've been told to, taking a jet into Canada because you know you won't be allowed to fly into the US seems even more callous.
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He should be charged with around 200 counts of reckless endangerment.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:He should be charged with around 200 counts of reckless endangerment.
If even one person is diagnosed slap him down for manslaughter, or the equivalent charge of damage that has not happened yet.

If your running around with a infectious disease that's highly contagious and deliberately create a situation where you expose a large number of people then I have little sympathy for him.

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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:He should be charged with around 200 counts of reckless endangerment.
If even one person is diagnosed slap him down for manslaughter, or the equivalent charge of damage that has not happened yet.

If your running around with a infectious disease that's highly contagious and deliberately create a situation where you expose a large number of people then I have little sympathy for him.
Nitpick - it wasn't highly contagious:
"The patient himself was not highly infectious" but there still was a small risk he could transmit the disease to someone else, Gerberding told CNN.
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Spin Echo wrote:And then once you know you have a deadly drug resistant strain of TB, instead of turning yourself over to the health authorities like you've been told to, taking a jet into Canada because you know you won't be allowed to fly into the US seems even more callous.
Couple points:

1) Some people are selfish assholes.

2) He is most likely in a stage of the disease where he doesn't feel particularly bad, nor does he look ill, greatly facilitating traveling across borders. He may also have been fooling himself about how healthy/ill he actually is.

3) He probably feared permanent quarantine in Italy. Not entirely unreasonable because

4) The CDC now, apparently has authorization to hold him "until he is no longer infectious". He many, in fact, be under de facto life imprisonment. Given this is XDR, it may not be possible to render him "non-infectious", in which case he stays in the hospital for life. Given that he has already been irresponsible, and thanks to precedents such as Typhoid Mary, the legal system would allow holding him indefinitely.

TB is weakly infectious, not highly infectious. This is not the common cold or the flu. Of those who do get it into their systems, only 10% actually ever develop the disease. This does not make what he did OK, of course, but even if the 200 or so people who the CDC are now trying to track down did all catch the bacteria (which is unlikely), most likely only 20 would ever get sick, even without treatment. Because they can be identified prior to symptoms, and the exact strain of TB is already identified, proper treatment could start extremely early, greatly increasing the chances of cure, even before anyone falls ill. It would be weeks, months, possibly even a year or more before those who could fall ill would become infectious themselves. This is not going to spin out of control. It IS serious because in this instance if you win the Germ Lottery you win an extremely bad bug. The odds are low but the consequences can be very high.
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Based on Broomstick's comments, I'd say quarantine has a high probability of being plenty of punishment for this guy. I certainly don't envy his situation. And what could really be done to him at this point? He can't be sent to prison until his body has managed to fight off the infection. Fining him will be minimally effective, as the time he loses will take a big bite out of his wallet, not to mention any expense that may (repeat, may) come of quarantine. His life's gonna be hell for some time.

Also, according to Wikipedia the survival rate is about the same as lung cancer. So he's already paying dearly.

I don't really know what can be done to him. All that I can think of, should someone contract it from him, is to deny him any treatments that will keep him more comfortable. Though if he does manage to get out of quarantine alive jail time does become an option, I guess.
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This is why I've been advocating that all medical quarantines be involuntary, and I've been saying this ever since the overblown SARS outbreak in Toronto many years ago, which was mostly a media circus rather than a real crisis but nevertheless highlighted serious weaknesses in the way we handle infectious disease outbreaks. There were cases of quarantined high school students going to school and exposing their entire school population because they had an assignment due and didn't want to risk affecting their marks. There were countless cases of adults going to work despite being quarantined.
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At least on this issue Bush is in the right, since he advocates harsh quarantine rules and the Nat. Guard enforcing them with lethal force if need be. The Avian Flu scares have helped people prepare for such an eventuality, but in practice I have to say I fear the rise of superbugs more than a flu pandemic right now. MRSA is out of the news since people are handling it, but C. difficile and now the new drug resistant strains of TB and even the Black Death causing Y. pestis are fast becoming common.

This man should be a role model for what happens when one squanders what we have in the fight against disease. Get this bug, and you're under house arrest for life.
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Why the fuck is quarantine voluntary in the first place? Doesn't that defeat the entire point of keeping someone separate from the population?

One thing that does occur to me: peak oil will at least slow the spread of diseases across the globe. If transoceanic flights are much rarer and limited to VIPs, that will mean any potential pandemic will take more time to spread from continent to continent, and since communications rely on electricity, not oil, we'll know about it far in advance of its arrival.

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There was a story on CNN a few days ago, also about a man with drug resistent TB who is currently imprisoned in New Mexico for violating his quarantine. He's spent the last 10 months or so locked in his room and will remain there until he's cured or dead, however long that takes.

I have a feeling this Atlanta man will suffer a similar fate.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:MRSA is out of the news since people are handling it, but C. difficile and now the new drug resistant strains of TB and even the Black Death causing Y. pestis are fast becoming common.
Actually, in the Chicago area MSRA is very much in the news, as it has now moved from the hospitals into the community at large: Hard-to-treat infection on rise
This man should be a role model for what happens when one squanders what we have in the fight against disease. Get this bug, and you're under house arrest for life.
From my viewpoint the ethics involved are simple - you are not permitted to put others at risk. If he can not act responsibility then he must be confined for the protection of the rest of us.
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Eh, even if he's in quarantine for years I'd like to see him moved to a federal penitentiary for a few more years the moment he's cured.
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Surlethe wrote:Why the fuck is quarantine involuntary in the first place? Doesn't that defeat the entire point of keeping someone separate from the population?
Did you mean to say voluntary?

Actually, most of the time people will act responsibly if given good information and even a little support. I worked four years at a clinic with a significant number of TB-positive patients. Most were cooperative with daily medication and even wearing of masks when traveling from home to medical treatment. A few were hospitalized during the initial stages of treatment, but even those folks were generally cooperative because most people don't want to be ill or die from the disease. I suspect Mr. Asshole has a hefty dose of denial at work. The most difficult part of treatment is that the medication must be taken every day without fail for months, but once the patient has been rendered non-infectious there really is no reason they need to be quarantined, provided they continue to cooperate with treatment.

We staff members were tested every 6 months for TB. Only one of us ever tested positive, and prophylactic treatment was started immediately for her. She never actually became ill.

Which is not to minimize the seriousness of this disease should you happen to catch it. It IS very serious -- but it's not some rapidly-moving pestilence. At the clinic day to day we were much more concerned with the spread of staph and strep, which also have drug-resistant variants and are far easier to spread.
One thing that does occur to me: peak oil will at least slow the spread of diseases across the globe.
And yet, the great plagues of history managed to travel quite well even in the days of horse and camel travel - bubonic plague, smallpox, etc. I don't see travel becoming so rare and difficult as to really end the threat of pandemic.

Oh, and for irony -- Mr. Asshole's father-in-law works at the CDC doing TB research!
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Winston Blake wrote:Nitpick - it wasn't highly contagious:
"The patient himself was not highly infectious" but there still was a small risk he could transmit the disease to someone else, Gerberding told CNN.
Which is why I refered to him as selfish and callous as opposed to using stronger words. Yes, most likely the people around would be okay, but to still risk exposing people to a disease like TB just so you can get married... the risk just doesn't seem worth it to me.
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Broomstick wrote: And yet, the great plagues of history managed to travel quite well even in the days of horse and camel travel - bubonic plague, smallpox, etc. I don't see travel becoming so rare and difficult as to really end the threat of pandemic.
Seriously. It may help a little, with very fast-spreading and virulent viruses (it would certainly help in instances of biological warfare, then)--but a nuclear powered airship or hovercraft or hydrofoil will still be to cross the Atlantic in 2 - 3 days if they become available, and disposable income in the First World isn't going to plunge so hard that there isn't going to be any demand for daily sailings with six-day crossings by big liners.
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Broomstick wrote:Did you mean to say voluntary?
Yes. Thank you.
Actually, most of the time people will act responsibly if given good information and even a little support. I worked four years at a clinic with a significant number of TB-positive patients. Most were cooperative with daily medication and even wearing of masks when traveling from home to medical treatment. A few were hospitalized during the initial stages of treatment, but even those folks were generally cooperative because most people don't want to be ill or die from the disease. I suspect Mr. Asshole has a hefty dose of denial at work.
That wouldn't surprise me. I had always assumed quarantines were involuntary, because isn't the whole point to keep people out of the population? It's great that most people will act responsibly -- then the "involuntary" part is just a safety net -- but when you're dealing with scary shit like XDR TB and its ilk, I guess my reaction is that even if Mr Asshole is 1:100
One thing that does occur to me: peak oil will at least slow the spread of diseases across the globe.
And yet, the great plagues of history managed to travel quite well even in the days of horse and camel travel - bubonic plague, smallpox, etc. I don't see travel becoming so rare and difficult as to really end the threat of pandemic.
No, the threat won't end. As you and Duchess point out, international travel will still continue, but it will be slower and more expensive. The biggest mitigating factor I see is that our instant and global communications net will stay relatively intact while the transportation network gets hit: therefore, we'll be able to anticipate most diseases before they arrive and intercept them with workers and quarantines when they do get here.
Oh, and for irony -- Mr. Asshole's father-in-law works at the CDC doing TB research!
I heard that on NPR earlier. Apparently, as NPR assured me, Mr Asshole didn't catch it from his father-in-law (my reaction was, "well, duh").
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Winston Blake wrote:Nitpick - it wasn't highly contagious:
"The patient himself was not highly infectious" but there still was a small risk he could transmit the disease to someone else, Gerberding told CNN.
Which is why I refered to him as selfish and callous as opposed to using stronger words. Yes, most likely the people around would be okay, but to still risk exposing people to a disease like TB just so you can get married... the risk just doesn't seem worth it to me.
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Broomstick wrote: Actually, in the Chicago area MSRA is very much in the news, as it has now moved from the hospitals into the community at large: Hard-to-treat infection on rise
In the UK, dear. ;) But it's great that the US is now stealing the NHS' thunder with regards to MRSA scare stories. I hear your problems are going to be VRSA very soon, now that won't be pretty when it's global.
From my viewpoint the ethics involved are simple - you are not permitted to put others at risk. If he can not act responsibility then he must be confined for the protection of the rest of us.
Can you imagine the uproar over having, say, your father jailed indefinitely because of some bug we supposedly conquered years ago? That's how people will see this, as the state imposing horrible curbs on FREEDOM and trampling on individual rights. Why, if I want to visit theme parks and shopping malls and swimming pools with my incurable malady seeping out every orifice, then that's my damn business!

Ironically, plagues wiped out such people in the past.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
From my viewpoint the ethics involved are simple - you are not permitted to put others at risk. If he can not act responsibility then he must be confined for the protection of the rest of us.
Can you imagine the uproar over having, say, your father jailed indefinitely because of some bug we supposedly conquered years ago? That's how people will see this, as the state imposing horrible curbs on FREEDOM and trampling on individual rights. Why, if I want to visit theme parks and shopping malls and swimming pools with my incurable malady seeping out every orifice, then that's my damn business!
Actually, if the folks I've interacted with this week are a representative sample, the average US yokel is pretty pissed this guy wasn't put into forced isolation before his jaunt to Europe.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Can you imagine the uproar over having, say, your father jailed indefinitely because of some bug we supposedly conquered years ago? That's how people will see this, as the state imposing horrible curbs on FREEDOM and trampling on individual rights. Why, if I want to visit theme parks and shopping malls and swimming pools with my incurable malady seeping out every orifice, then that's my damn business!

Ironically, plagues wiped out such people in the past.
Please, if you give a couple of random people environmentally controlled suits, they'd happily throw this asshole into quarantine for the rest of his life. Probably anyone who came within 20 feet of him too, just to be sure.

The average person is willing to go to extremes for their own personal safety. Patriot act, anyone?
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Update: according to the Globe and Mail newspaper, the man is a personal-injury lawyer. I guess that explains the fact that he apparently has no conscience.
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Darth Wong wrote:Update: according to the Globe and Mail newspaper, the man is a personal-injury lawyer. I guess that explains the fact that he apparently has no conscience.
It explains a lot more than that. Think about it. He's a personal injury lawyer who's just put almost 200 people in danger.

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According to some business i saw on, i believe, CNN , they didnt TELL him he was contageous. He asked them, "Does this mean i'm contageous or not" and according to both sides they said something to the effect of "No you're fine" and left it at that. They're saying that they mispoke or some such, but you can taste the CYA here. He didnt find out it was a serious problem till he was overseas then, by all acounts, he paniced and tried to come BACK because he didnt trust the health care overseas (which is painfully ironic, because the health care in the States sucks ass AFAIK).
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:According to some business i saw on, i believe, CNN , they didnt TELL him he was contageous. He asked them, "Does this mean i'm contageous or not" and according to both sides they said something to the effect of "No you're fine" and left it at that. They're saying that they mispoke or some such, but you can taste the CYA here. He didnt find out it was a serious problem till he was overseas then, by all acounts, he paniced and tried to come BACK because he didnt trust the health care overseas (which is painfully ironic, because the health care in the States sucks ass AFAIK).
He's a lawyer. He's trying to squirm out of trouble. They told him NOT TO FLY. Obviously, that means he should not be flying. Any other evasions and distractions he tries to pull are just a smokescreen.
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