[discussion] metavac
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[discussion] metavac
Does the Senate think that something should be done about the user metavac? He has been violating all sorts of debating rules left and right, namely refusing to address arguments made against his positions, broken record tactics, ignoring evidence and then pretending it was not presented at all and other similar sort of trollery.
Evidence threads:
Trolling, baiting, refusing to answer points
More of the same, this link is to the point where things start heading south in a hurry when metavac's posts start getting dissected in detail instead of being just sideline support for other main debators.
I personally have no use for this sort of useless fuckwits, so I would cut out all the half-arsed, limp-wristed shit about sig and avatar privileges, temp bans and so forth and just have his worthless backside shoved out the door with a big red bootprint on it.
What say the rest of you?
Evidence threads:
Trolling, baiting, refusing to answer points
More of the same, this link is to the point where things start heading south in a hurry when metavac's posts start getting dissected in detail instead of being just sideline support for other main debators.
I personally have no use for this sort of useless fuckwits, so I would cut out all the half-arsed, limp-wristed shit about sig and avatar privileges, temp bans and so forth and just have his worthless backside shoved out the door with a big red bootprint on it.
What say the rest of you?
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In his very short posting history, which I decided to look into last night after this was brought to my attention, I had noticed only one previous flareup like this, and it was hardly of the same magnitude.
Having seen his previous posts, I think there is room for improvement, but only time will tell. This guy is irritating right now, but I think that banning him might be jumping the gun a bit. I like there to be a little more rope for the noose as it were. If he fucks up past that point, we can shove him out the door, sure, but I'm a fan of the "warn then ban" model, particularly in cases that aren't that extreme.
I'd be in favor of a titling, we've been a while without a VI.
Having seen his previous posts, I think there is room for improvement, but only time will tell. This guy is irritating right now, but I think that banning him might be jumping the gun a bit. I like there to be a little more rope for the noose as it were. If he fucks up past that point, we can shove him out the door, sure, but I'm a fan of the "warn then ban" model, particularly in cases that aren't that extreme.
I'd be in favor of a titling, we've been a while without a VI.
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I'm recusing myself from any discussion or voting on this matter due to a conflict of interest.
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My bias is obvious, but I don't think he merits banning or anything so extreme. Titling perhaps, but. Being a useless, flaming hatfucker in a flareup generally doesn't merit banning.
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If being a useless hatfucker in a flareup or two, especially when you're new, merits banning, then I suspect several of the more respected members now wouldn't be here. I need to read the threads a little more carefully than I have time for right now, but my impression now is that metavac is intelligent, if misguided. He may need a reprimand, but I think banning at this point is extreme.
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Could be I was too harsh.
It's just that reading through all of that from scratch did nothing to endear him to me, especially since the behavior tends to repeat from thread to thread when his claims are challenged.
It's just that reading through all of that from scratch did nothing to endear him to me, especially since the behavior tends to repeat from thread to thread when his claims are challenged.
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We've generally allowed people to get much worse than him before doing anything in the past.
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Until I saw this, his posting actually seemed pretty okay. Maybe if something else flares up we can take action, but let's wait & see. Maybe just this thread in itself will be a sufficient bit of "newspaper 'cross the nose".
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I’ve seen nothing of his posts before now, but he sent me a PM with unsolicited but helpful information regarding the idea of runoff voting. Can’t say I have anything against him. The evidence presented does not raise my eyebrow one bit. Looks to me like people are once more taking the whole senate idea far more aggressively then it needs to be.
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I think it is time to resurrect this thread. I may have been hasty in bringing him up before the Senate the first time around, but this thread in the HoS certainly justifies reevaluating his conduct and his absolute refusal to provide any evidence for his claims as well as his broken record tactics and trolling.
Mr. metavac's performance starts up on page 6 and continues up to page 14 (at the time of this typing) with no letup. The depth of trollishness and dishonesty is simply breathtaking. So the discussion on what to do about him should be reopened.
Suggestions?
Mr. metavac's performance starts up on page 6 and continues up to page 14 (at the time of this typing) with no letup. The depth of trollishness and dishonesty is simply breathtaking. So the discussion on what to do about him should be reopened.
Suggestions?
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The GOP has a problem with anyone coming out of the closet. –18-till-I-die
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–Darth Wong to vivftp
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I recuse myself, due to my bias. But even still, I would only go so far as a titling. I think he could be a useful contributer if only he grasps that one has to debate logically and honestly. A firm swat from Authority cures that in most people.
Or makes them start screaming the admin are abusing their powers, and that always resolves itself.
Or makes them start screaming the admin are abusing their powers, and that always resolves itself.
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Since I wasn't involved in this debate, I will step in here and say that it seems reasonable to bring up a poll with a titling option, though I don't think there's grounds for a ban poll. There's only one DR violation (DR #7) that should lead to banning as the first punishment, IMO. The others, first punishment, title, second, ban.
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I agree as well. He's shown occasional signs of something more than pigheaded trolling. Title him and see what he does with the rope.
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Honestly I jumped completely out of that thread so I'll recuse myself from seconding the motion on the table but if someone would we can post a vote on the matter.
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Meh, perhaps it's just me, but I don't really see much in there that warrents Senate consideration. Even the 'new thread'. Granted, my eyes started bleening around page eleven but...
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
I'll do it... since I'm online now.
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It seems that we constantly need to bring up Mr. metavac for re-evaluation.
The latest and greatest from metavac, and that's not counting the several cases of obstinate refusal to address points, broken record tactics and hatfuckery that he has engaged in on the various forums. Knowledgeable as he might be in some of the things related to his own profession and can make useful contributions related to that, it is clear that he also considers himself clearly above the rules on his own determination to the point of in the course of a single thread ignoring three supermods and one regular mod laying down the law for him AND justifying their decision for his benefit.
Since titling him the last time did not help at all, I think it is high time for a poll with the options of
The latest and greatest from metavac, and that's not counting the several cases of obstinate refusal to address points, broken record tactics and hatfuckery that he has engaged in on the various forums. Knowledgeable as he might be in some of the things related to his own profession and can make useful contributions related to that, it is clear that he also considers himself clearly above the rules on his own determination to the point of in the course of a single thread ignoring three supermods and one regular mod laying down the law for him AND justifying their decision for his benefit.
Since titling him the last time did not help at all, I think it is high time for a poll with the options of
- permban
- temp ban
- no punishment
- abstain
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GOP message? Why don't they just come out of the closet: FASCISTS R' US –Patrick Degan
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Why is it so goddamned hard to get little assholes like you to admit it when you fuck up? Is it pride? What gives you the right to have any pride?
–Darth Wong to vivftp
GOP message? Why don't they just come out of the closet: FASCISTS R' US –Patrick Degan
The GOP has a problem with anyone coming out of the closet. –18-till-I-die