Pet peve of mine

[Camel]

An admission of guilt? All of the smokers who do deny it; I'm forced to conclude that this tard doesn't actually do it and just wants to get a reaction from everyone.

This is more a discussion on human behavior that anything else. If everyone immediately agrees with you without hesitation. It can only lead to, as observed, that everyone will either deny guilt or blatantly agree with your argument whole heartily. I have been absolutely honest and blunt in my approach to this.

There are reasons smokers do what they do? Who the fuck cares? You're addicted to them, moron.

My thoughts exactly. We don't care. Your the one with the Pet Peeve after all.

Is it hard to understand that I'm pissed off because you litter everywhere? ...... for fuck's sake, clean up after yourself...

I understand, I see actual trash on the roads and shake my head myself. Gross disregard for a clean roadway is outrageous. I still stand by my opinion that cigarette butts are not a big deal. Especially in light of the other, more obvious and visible, trash that litters the road.

[weemadando]

Its even better in Australia were a good percentage of our bushfires each year are started by morons doing just this, tossing a butt out the car window.

[Superman]

An admission of guilt? All of the smokers who do deny it; I'm forced to conclude that this tard doesn't actually do it and just wants to get a reaction from everyone.

This is more a discussion on human behavior that anything else. If everyone immediately agrees with you without hesitation. It can only lead to, as observed, that everyone will either deny guilt or blatantly agree with your argument whole heartily. I have been absolutely honest and blunt in my approach to this.

There are reasons smokers do what they do? Who the fuck cares? You're addicted to them, moron.

My thoughts exactly. We don't care. Your the one with the Pet Peeve after all.

Is it hard to understand that I'm pissed off because you litter everywhere? ...... for fuck's sake, clean up after yourself...

I understand, I see actual trash on the roads and shake my head myself. Gross disregard for a clean roadway is outrageous. I still stand by my opinion that cigarette butts are not a big deal. Especially in light of the other, more obvious and visible, trash that litters the road.

I don't know why I'm even clarifying this, because you already know, but my rant wasn't about smoking! It's the fact that you're a butt thrower.

For crap's sake... All this conversation comes down to is this: I rant against the stupid, you admit to being stupid, the mocking ensues.

You just keep on littering...

[Camel]

I don't know why I'm even clarifying this, because you already know, but my rant wasn't about smoking! It's the fact that you're a butt thrower.

By proxy it is about smoking, obviously. This is nit picking and unnecessary. I think all the points have been covered now.

All this conversation comes down to is this: I rant against the stupid, you admit to being stupid, the mocking ensues.

Defence rests. Please continue.

[rhoenix]

By proxy it is about smoking, obviously.

Nice dodge, but no. This is specifically about people flicking cigarette butts out of their cars while driving.

This is nit picking and unnecessary.

So in your opinion then, the OP ranting about smokers who flick their cigarette butts out of the windows of their car, and the fact that you admitted that you do precisely the same things are...nit-picking?

I think all the points have been covered now.

Good, we can move on, then.

[Cairber]

I was walking with my daughter from the park yesterday and she insisted on walking and not riding in the stroller. Two minutes later she was back in the stroller screaming because, as we were walking on the sidewalk, she bent down to pick up a discarded butt with her mouth open

[Camel]

Rhoenix, you just HAD to say something. Now I am forced to decline playing my game to respond again.

Nice dodge, but no. This is specifically about people flicking cigarette butts out of their cars while driving.

Unless you are unaware, cigarette butts are originally cigarettes. I am sure you are familiar with this fact. To disregard this fact is insane. I realize it is convenient to your argument for cigarette butts to magically appear out of thin air. The fact remains that they do not. My previous point in my defense, about human behavior, still remains unchallenged. Despite your pathetic dodge, you, yourself, committed.

This is nit picking and unnecessary.

So in your opinion then, the OP ranting about smokers who flick their cigarette butts out of the windows of their car, and the fact that you admitted that you do precisely the same things are...nit-picking?

I was accusing myself of nit picking. It is unfortunate you went through all that trouble over a misunderstanding.
I was noting superman's pathetic attempt to disregard my argument in defense of smoking (and to explain why we do what we do). I immediately concluded that it spoke volumes by itself and declined to comment any further.

Hopefully, now I have responded to your satisfaction.

[Superman]

Hopefully, now I have responded to your satisfaction.

Yeah, but here's the thing: you're going to get lung cancer and I'm not.

[rhoenix]

Rhoenix, you just HAD to say something. Now I am forced to decline playing my game to respond again.

Thank you. I feel like James Bond. Almost.

Unless you are unaware, cigarette butts are originally cigarettes. I am sure you are familiar with this fact. To disregard this fact is insane. I realize it is convenient to your argument for cigarette butts to magically appear out of thin air. The fact remains that they do not. My previous point in my defense, about human behavior, still remains unchallenged. Despite your pathetic dodge, you, yourself, committed.

Yes, you have a perfectly valid point. However, it's extraneous to the discussion. I myself smoke, as I stated earlier in this thread. However, I use my ashtray, and empty it out daily.

You yourself stated that you do not - you flick them out of the window of your car. The original post was a rant about people who flick their cigarettes out onto the ground.

You stated that you don't use your ashtray, as it "only holds one pack of cigarettes' worth," I believe it was?

"Only" one pack of cigarettes' worth? This is beside the point at hand, but good grief man, how much do you smoke? Do you go through two lighters a day?

I was accusing myself of nit picking. It is unfortunate you went through all that trouble over a misunderstanding.

I'm touched.

[Camel]

it's extraneous to the discussion.

Actually it has everything to do with the discussion like I have already explained to adequate length.

I myself smoke. I use my ashtray, and empty it out daily.

You are either, the previously mentioned, "One who denies it", or a shining example of responsibility and can only help our tainted image we suffer among the non-smokers.

You flick them out of the window of your car. The original post was a rant about people who flick their cigarettes out onto the ground.

Indeed, I do commit that offence daily. The thread is still about littering with cigarette butts. I am aware these facts.

You stated that you don't use your ashtray, as it "only holds one pack of cigarettes' worth," I believe it was?

I did say that. It was a straw man rhetorical example. You have conveniently ignored my follow up example and predictably and tragically attacked the straw man. It was just a rhetorical- satirical example. Please.

[Lusankya]

You stated that you don't use your ashtray, as it "only holds one pack of cigarettes' worth," I believe it was?

I did say that. It was a straw man rhetorical example. You have conveniently ignored my follow up example and predictably and tragically attacked the straw man. It was just a rhetorical- satirical example. Please.

I'm certain the motorcyclists among us hate the ash as well.

However, regardless of that, the OP is about the butts, and not the ash. Superman's pet peeve isn't smokers dumping ash out their car windows. It's smokers dumping cigarette butts out their windows. Regardlesss of where smokers dump their ash, they can still put the butt in their ashtray. It's not rendered inoperable because the window's 1/4 of an inch open, you know. And, that complaint being rendered invalid (because a blind goat could see how easily that complaint is rendered invalid), we return to your firt point: if you ashtray 'only holding one pack of cigartettes' worth' is a problem, you either do a ridiculous amount of smoking in the car each day, or you don't empty your ashtray out enough.

Although if your name's anything to go by, then the cigarettes you use don't have filters, which are the main non bio-degradeable part of the butts, so we can thus enjoy you dying that much sooner.


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[Camel]

Lusankya,
I am glad you posted so I can post this and avoid double posting. I am going to ignore most of your post. All you have achieved is doing a better job of attacking my ash tray point. I have already stated it is a straw man. I will not attempt to defend it. It would be counter productive and retarded to do so. Its amazing you even proceeded to do so after I already stated what it was and you even went so far as to quote me saying so.

You will notice smokers always have their window cracked open. They prefer to "ash" their cigarette out the window as opposed to the ash tray. Naturally, they "put out" their cigarette out the window as opposed to the ash tray

My entire argument revolves around this. It is amazing, considering the reputation of this forum, that ANY one has yet to come and destroy it. I expect any further arguments to be made against or for this in the future. The big dogs will wake soon enough.

Lusankya,
In response to your tiny text: Camel does indeed come in the original unfiltered variety. I smoke the filtered kind. I look forward to enjoying my lungs hemorrhaging and drowning in my own blood.

I have to retire. Let the mocking ensue.

[Darth Servo]

I smoke too.
I typically flick my butts onto the road unless people are near or there is a cop. If i am stopped at a light when the cigarette is done; I will try to discreetly drop it out instead of flick it some distance as usual. This is to avoid attention. I don't care if there are cigarette butts on the road. I don't consider it a big deal. Littering to me is people throwing their Mc Donald's bags and cups onto the road.

I don't suppost the poster boy for emphysema would care to explain the difference dropping food wrapers out of the car and dropping butts out of the car.

[Darth Wong]

Wow. If your intention was to give a supporting argument for the OP, you've succeeded admirably.

Sarcasm noted, Rhoenix.

One of my goals was to give the ONLY opinion that opposed the stated pet peeve. I thought my reasoning was adequate; if only to myself.

What "reasoning?" You declared that it's "littering" when people toss McDonald's trash onto the road, but not when you toss cigarette butts onto the road, and you gave no reasoning whatsoever.

But of course, you're an unrepentant smoker, so I can't really expect you to have well-developed faculties of reason.

[Medic]

I'm surprised you don't at least try to come up with some "cigarette buds are paper and so they'll be broken down by the environment" but it's clear that the only rationale you have is apathetic assholery.

And I was among the few to actually compain about more than just littering and with good reason I might add.

[Korvan]

Pisses me off too. I'd like to see a 25 cent deposit for each and every cigarette which you get refunded by handing in a butt.

[Darth Servo]

Pisses me off too. I'd like to see a 25 cent deposit for each and every cigarette which you get refunded by handing in a butt.

Hell, for that, I might just go clean them up. At one butt every five seconds, 8 hours a day, I'd be a millionaire in about two years.

[rhoenix]

You are either, the previously mentioned, "One who denies it", or a shining example of responsibility and can only help our tainted image we suffer among the non-smokers.

Thank you for noticing, that gives me a small ray of hope.

Indeed, I do commit that offence daily. The thread is still about littering with cigarette butts. I am aware these facts.

Alright, good then.

I did say that. It was a straw man rhetorical example. You have conveniently ignored my follow up example and predictably and tragically attacked the straw man. It was just a rhetorical- satirical example. Please.

You wily nemesis, you. However will I cope?

You will notice smokers always have their window cracked open. They prefer to "ash" their cigarette out the window as opposed to the ash tray.

I ash in my ashtray, and far less frequently out the window. However, this isn't the important part.

Naturally, they "put out" their cigarette out the window as opposed to the ash tray.

...And here's where it comes to a screeching halt. You give no reason for doing this, apart from "other smokers do it."

[Lusankya]

You're forgetting, rhoeninx: apparently the fact that one ashes the cigarette out the window renders the ashtray inoperable. You just obviously don't notice this because you ash in your ashtray.

At least, that's the only way I can think of to explain how ashing the cigarette out the window forces one to throw the butt out the window.


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[RedImperator]

What I've found helpful for dealing with the smell of old cigarettes is to flick the coal (the last little bit of paper and tobacco that usually winds up in the ashtray) out the window, leaving just the filter. I stopped flicking butts out the window when one of them blew back into the car without me realizing it until I got out of the car and found a burn hole in the driver's seat back.

[rhoenix]

What I've found helpful for dealing with the smell of old cigarettes is to flick the coal (the last little bit of paper and tobacco that usually winds up in the ashtray) out the window, leaving just the filter. I stopped flicking butts out the window when one of them blew back into the car without me realizing it until I got out of the car and found a burn hole in the driver's seat back.

The very last time I flicked my cigarette out of my window, it somehow looped around, landed through the passenger-side window, and burned a hole in my (then) girlfriend's dress.

With my present car now though, which is a Jeep Wrangler, all the material within is synthetic - it doesn't hold onto smells or moisture very well. Even so, I'll usually Febreze my car on the weekends for the non-smokers, or whenever I empty out my ashtray.

[Chardok]

I just looked at this thread, so forgive me if this point is already addressed...but...didn't we have a similar discussion like 2 years ago? I believe I actually did admit to throwing my butts out the window. I even got some suggestions on how to avoid it. (IIRC, my thing was I did it without even really thinking about it)

Of course...that's when I smoked...

[Feil]

The fact that no smoker ever fesses up to throwing butts out of his car window even though the roadside is littered with millions of them is one of the most annoying things about the breed. But let's face it, smoking is a moron/asshole activity anyway, so you're not going to get the best class of people represented in that group.

Just what the hell are you trying to say?

Einstein: smoked
Openheimer: smoked
Tolkein: smoked
Twain: smoked

I'm perfectly fine with arrogance, when it is merited. I'm perfectly fine with saying that smoking is a bad idea, costs (monetarily and physically) far more than any pleasure gained for it is worth, and is a dangerous activity.

But it's also an addictive thing. People start when they're young and stupid, and maybe they don't have the will, ability, or desire to quit.

Does it make them less of an awe-inspiring and emulation-worthy person than the all-star player with a 150 IQ, a body in good health, and a fine quality of will? Probably.

But does it make them a "moron/asshole"? Does a single vice invalidate a person's ability to be a good person? Are a good quarter of my friends and half my co-workers (and Tolkein, Einstein, and Openheimer) morons and assholes, and not worthy of expectation of honest response?

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I would also like to note that your assertion is directly shown to be false here: of the two people who have posted who identify themselves as smokers, both of them have 'fessed up'.

[NoXion]

As a smoker, I would like to extend a hearty fuck you to Camel. It's people like you who give non-smokers the perception that smokers are assholes, along with all the other whiny fuckers who complain when asked not to smoke by people who are well within their rights to do so.

As for myself, I try to be considerate about my habit when around others - I don't light up until I've cleared it with any other parties, and when visiting my friend I step outside since his brother doesn't like the smell. I then dispose of the butt in the rubbish bin, after making sure it's out so I don't start a fire. I don't drive, so throwing butts out of the window is not a problem for me, but if I did I would use the damn ashtray.

This has been a public service announcement from your friendly neighbourhood smoker.

[Darth Wong]

The fact that no smoker ever fesses up to throwing butts out of his car window even though the roadside is littered with millions of them is one of the most annoying things about the breed. But let's face it, smoking is a moron/asshole activity anyway, so you're not going to get the best class of people represented in that group.

Just what the hell are you trying to say?

I didn't make it clear enough? Smoking is a moron/asshole activity.

Einstein: smoked
Openheimer: smoked
Tolkein: smoked
Twain: smoked

Does stupidity come to you naturally, or do you work at it? Those guys smoked so long ago that the modern medical evidence for smoking hazards did not exist. They have an excuse. But nobody today does.

I'm perfectly fine with arrogance, when it is merited. I'm perfectly fine with saying that smoking is a bad idea, costs (monetarily and physically) far more than any pleasure gained for it is worth, and is a dangerous activity.

Then why are you acting like such a whiny bitch when someone says that smoking is a moron/asshole activity? You just admitted that it's stupid.

But it's also an addictive thing. People start when they're young and stupid, and maybe they don't have the will, ability, or desire to quit.

Does it make them less of an awe-inspiring and emulation-worthy person than the all-star player with a 150 IQ, a body in good health, and a fine quality of will? Probably.

But does it make them a "moron/asshole"? Does a single vice invalidate a person's ability to be a good person? Are a good quarter of my friends and half my co-workers (and Tolkein, Einstein, and Openheimer) morons and assholes, and not worthy of expectation of honest response?

Einstein et al had an excuse. You and your friends don't.

I would also like to note that your assertion is directly shown to be false here: of the two people who have posted who identify themselves as smokers, both of them have 'fessed up'.

Of course they have, because they're posting in a thread where I ranted early about smokers who won't fess up.