Question about Chaos Gods in WH40K
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Question about Chaos Gods in WH40K
Do the Chaos Gods have any real 'form' within the Warp? I've read descriptions of Nurgal as a giant, slug-like beast covered in sores and wounds,  Khorne as a titanic, demonic humanoid in armor sitting on a throne on a mound of skulls, Tzeentch as a demonic being covered in faces, and Slaanesh as a beautiful humanoid, but I'm not sure if these are real 'forms', or if they are just what the Imperium men imagine them to be.
			
			
									
						
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Re: Question about Chaos Gods in WH40K
A REAL form, no, they're a sort of abstract, sentient mass of Chaos.Guardsman Bass wrote:Do the Chaos Gods have any real 'form' within the Warp? I've read descriptions of Nurgal as a giant, slug-like beast covered in sores and wounds, Khorne as a titanic, demonic humanoid in armor sitting on a throne on a mound of skulls, Tzeentch as a demonic being covered in faces, and Slaanesh as a beautiful humanoid, but I'm not sure if these are real 'forms', or if they are just what the Imperium men imagine them to be.
I suppose they're characterized as what you describe. But in reality, no real form.
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Except for Tzeentch, actually, you're right on those characterizations. I believe Tzeetch is depicted to be always in motion, changing forms at the drop of a hat. At one point in time I suppose he could look lie that, though he'd just as easily not lok like that the next second (as much as time means anything in the warp).
			
			
									
						
										
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Yes. Tzeentch could change from a man made of screaming faces in one moment, to a clip-on tie in the next. Oh, Tzeentch and his crazy antics.MRDOD wrote:Except for Tzeentch, actually, you're right on those characterizations. I believe Tzeetch is depicted to be always in motion, changing forms at the drop of a hat. At one point in time I suppose he could look lie that, though he'd just as easily not lok like that the next second (as much as time means anything in the warp).
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The description was pretty weird; it described Tzeentch as being covered in faces and images that were constantly changing, surrounded by smoke that contained images of what Tzeentch was thinking of at the time.defanatic wrote:Yes. Tzeentch could change from a man made of screaming faces in one moment, to a clip-on tie in the next. Oh, Tzeentch and his crazy antics.MRDOD wrote:Except for Tzeentch, actually, you're right on those characterizations. I believe Tzeetch is depicted to be always in motion, changing forms at the drop of a hat. At one point in time I suppose he could look lie that, though he'd just as easily not lok like that the next second (as much as time means anything in the warp).
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I believe that comes from the Critical Hit website, though I'm not certain on the source. It says essentially the same thing on their "Tzeentch" article in the Warhammer Fantasy section, in any regard...
As others have noted, however, I don’t think the Chaos Gods have concrete “forms” as such, given that such things are largely frivolities within the Warp. However, it’d be interesting to speculate on their likely physical appearances and what forms they'd take should they ever desire to manifest themselves in our universe...
			
			
									
						
										
						As others have noted, however, I don’t think the Chaos Gods have concrete “forms” as such, given that such things are largely frivolities within the Warp. However, it’d be interesting to speculate on their likely physical appearances and what forms they'd take should they ever desire to manifest themselves in our universe...
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I think its more than just symbollic. The Great Unclean One for example, is described as being the exact lickness of Nurgle himself, thats pretty damn specific and definite for something thats symbollic.
			
			
									
						
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Yes i was always under the impression, that the greater daemons of Khorne, Nurgle, etc...were supposed to be like little clones of their master.Lost Soal wrote:I think its more than just symbollic. The Great Unclean One for example, is described as being the exact lickness of Nurgle himself, thats pretty damn specific and definite for something thats symbollic.
Like when you hit a cartoon character and they smash down and split apart into a billion little versions of themselves, like that.
Which puts a surreal spin on it but there you go.
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Malal, at the very least, was supposedly able to manifest in the physical realm at will, and it was apparently common enough that his followers took this as a sign that he cared more about them than the other gods did for their devotees. Of course, that might have been retconned now that Malal has been conveniently excised from the franchise over a copyright dispute.
			
			
									
						
										
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I've heard that the Greater Demons are created by the Chaos Gods, which would explain they could resemble their master in exactness; they would be living avatars of their respective Gods.18-Till-I-Die wrote:Yes i was always under the impression, that the greater daemons of Khorne, Nurgle, etc...were supposed to be like little clones of their master.Lost Soal wrote:I think its more than just symbollic. The Great Unclean One for example, is described as being the exact lickness of Nurgle himself, thats pretty damn specific and definite for something thats symbollic.
Like when you hit a cartoon character and they smash down and split apart into a billion little versions of themselves, like that.
Which puts a surreal spin on it but there you go.
About Malal; ;why didn't they just change the name of the God? He was a very figure, the 'Chaotic' Chaos God of Destruction and Annihilation.
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As I understand it, GW was prohibited from using the character of Malal in any shape or form after the person holding the copyright left the company. However, I have been told that some of the fluff indicates that he's still around, in some form or another.
			
			
									
						
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