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First all, she had a ticket Rep. Woolsey gave her, so she had every right to be there. Then the neo-Nazis claimed she was going to unfurl a banner in the House. It turns out she was wearing a black T-shirt with the number of Americans killed in Iraq written on it. Since the Constitution is dead and wasn't even given a decent burial, government thugs handcuffed Sheehan because "protest" is illegal in Congress.

Two questions:

1) Since when is sitting quietly and wearing a T-shirt "protest"?

2) If Sheehan's T-shirt counts as protest, why didn't the guards arrest all the people with American flags in attendance? Why not the people with purple fingers?

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That's what Cindy Sheehan's T-shirt said. The picture above shows the response in the Capitol tonight. To very loosely paraphrase Norma Desmond, the shirt is clean, it's the government that's obscene.

Did you know that in 1971, the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional to arrest a man who wore a "F--- the Draft" T-shirt into the courthouse? (Cohen v. California, you can look it up.) So now Alito's on the court for 45 minutes and your civil liberties are already going down the toilet. You were warned.

Somebody at Daily Kos suggested that every American who's appalled by what happened tonight should -- on the same day -- wear a T-shirt that reads "2,245 Dead -- How Many More?? to work, school, church, court (by day's end, perhaps) or wherever we need to be. It's our right, after all.

We're in. Maybe someone can use the T-shirt proceeds to buy some body armor for the troops.
Democrats in Congress should make a fuss over this. Of course, they'd have to grow a pair first.
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I imagine the defense will be that she was going to "start something" because she's clearly a liberal extremist being aided by a Democrat.

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There's a dress code at the State of the Union. She didn't comply with it and they removed her. I don't like Bush, but I'm also not sorry she was arrested; there's a right time when to protest and a wrong time. Mrs. Sheehan chose the wrong time.
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Fire Fly wrote:There's a dress code at the State of the Union. She didn't comply with it and they removed her. I don't like Bush, but I'm also not sorry she was arrested; there's a right time when to protest and a wrong time. Mrs. Sheehan chose the wrong time.
What is the dress code at the SoTU? I've googled to no avail.
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Fire Fly wrote:There's a dress code at the State of the Union. She didn't comply with it and they removed her. I don't like Bush, but I'm also not sorry she was arrested; there's a right time when to protest and a wrong time. Mrs. Sheehan chose the wrong time.
I've never heard anything about that, nor can I find anything. But even if that were true, the reason they gave for this was that she was "protesting," not "being out of dress code."
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Sheehan, who was invited to attend the speech by Rep. Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., was charged with demonstrating in the Capitol building, said Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider. The charge was later changed to unlawful conduct, Schneider said. Both charges are misdemeanors.

Sheehan was taken in handcuffs from the Capitol to police headquarters a few blocks away. Her case was processed as Bush spoke.

Schneider said Sheehan had worn a T-shirt with an anti-war slogan to the speech and covered it up until she took her seat. Police warned her that such displays were not allowed, but she did not respond, the spokeswoman said.
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Fire Fly wrote:There's a dress code at the State of the Union. She didn't comply with it and they removed her. I don't like Bush, but I'm also not sorry she was arrested; there's a right time when to protest and a wrong time. Mrs. Sheehan chose the wrong time.
I've never heard anything about that, nor can I find anything. But even if that were true, the reason they gave for this was that she was "protesting," not "being out of dress code."
The entire event is being attended by almost every law maker of all the branches. You would think that wearing something a little more formal is common sense. And I reiterate again, there is a right time when to protest and a wrong time when to protest.
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Why the hell should anyone need to be formal? Maybe so Bush isn't distracted from his State of the Union address?

But is there really is a dress code, then she did break it, and this isn't an unlawful arrest.
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Unlike the grounds surrounding the Capitol, which historically have been the site of numerous demonstrations, there has been a ban on demonstrations inside the Capitol since 1946 when Congress decreed: “It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons willfully and knowingly -- . . . to parade, demonstrate, or picket within any of the Capitol Buildings.” 40 U.S.C. § 193f(b)(7).
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wolveraptor wrote: But is there really is a dress code, then she did break it, and this isn't an unlawful arrest.
Except she wasn't arrested for breaking the dress code (let's not get into wether or not that warrants an arrest in the first place) but for 'protesting/unlawful conduct'.
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And liberal groups were asking that Alito not even appear at the SotU address because his very presence was political, despite the fact that he is a Supreme Court judge, and would be the only one not attending.



Quite frankly she lost all credibility in my eyes once I saw her give a speech at an impeach Bush conference on C-SPAN. She admitted that she didn't really know awhole lot about anything, and then preceded (completely ignoring the question of the reporter) to give her viewpoint on just about everything in American politics. She spewed some of the most ultra-liberal nonsense that I've ever heard, crap that even Hillary and Kennedy would be embarressed to say. I listed to to the whole thing just to make sure that I hated her.


I'm beginning to thing think that she's more of a liberal activist pimping her dead son for a cause rather than a grieving mother wanting to keep anyone elses kids from dying.
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If she had had any sense, she'd have attended but followed decorum et al to the letter. Her mere presence there was sending a clear enough message, given that the News Channels were reporting it even before she was hauled off. Frankly, trying to send a message there was stupid, just being there as a guest to a congressman would have been enough.

Not that the Capitol Police probably wouldn't have hauled her off anyway. However, I do find it queer that the Capitol Police, who almost certainly searched her on entry, didn't find that shirt before she'd gotten to her seat. Weren't there searches?
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Gil Hamilton wrote:If she had had any sense, she'd have attended but followed decorum et al to the letter. Her mere presence there was sending a clear enough message, given that the News Channels were reporting it even before she was hauled off. Frankly, trying to send a message there was stupid, just being there as a guest to a congressman would have been enough.

Not that the Capitol Police probably wouldn't have hauled her off anyway. However, I do find it queer that the Capitol Police, who almost certainly searched her on entry, didn't find that shirt before she'd gotten to her seat. Weren't there searches?
I doubt they if they would have hauled her off if she wasn't wearing the shirt because she was an invited guest, but you can bet money they would be watching her like a hawk to see if she'd be disruptive and start shouting slogans.

As for how it got past the guards, maybe she just wore a regular blouse over it and then took it off once inside.

As an aside, unless Congresswoman Woolsey knew about the shirt, it
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Glocksman wrote:I doubt they if they would have hauled her off if she wasn't wearing the shirt because she was an invited guest, but you can bet money they would be watching her like a hawk to see if she'd be disruptive and start shouting slogans.
I don't know about that. I wouldn't put it past the Capitol Police to "arrest" her for the duration of the speech and then let her go, citing a "mistake". After all, if she started being distruptive, they can only stop her after the fact, not pre-empt it.
As for how it got past the guards, maybe she just wore a regular blouse over it and then took it off once inside.

As an aside, unless Congresswoman Woolsey knew about the shirt, it
I'm not sure about that. Hiding a t-shirt under a dress blouse would be tricky, simply because dress blouses are made from really thin material compared to T-Shirts. It would look odd and Capitol Police aren't known for dismissing things that look odd.
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Not that the Capitol Police probably wouldn't have hauled her off anyway. However, I do find it queer that the Capitol Police, who almost certainly searched her on entry, didn't find that shirt before she'd gotten to her seat. Weren't there searches?
The Capitol Police cannot do anything without reasonable cause. For all they know Sheehan planned to be the model of decorum during the speech itself, and slip off her blouse for the cameras after. Once she gave them probable cause that she was going to protest during the speech itself, she gets carted away. I have no idea if what she was wearing was all that disruptive, but until she reveals it - that which cannot be seen cannot be disruptive.
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Personally she comes off as a shrill iritant now. Her message is completely lost in her theatrics. A huge point would have been made if she just sat there quietly during the speech and you just know cameras would have focussed on her during the Iraq parts of the speech stealing some of Bush's thunder and acting like a big elephant in the room of a counterpoint to his "evrything is progressing" bullshit.

Instead she had to be an annoying sneak and she got busted for it. I mean seriously, the T-Shirt idea is just plain stupid.
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I think anyone wearing a T-Shirt out to be at least kicked out, regardless of who the President is or whether the shirt has a message.

This is a formal event. It's just like any other; you show up dressed for the occasion.

Reporting on the State of the Union is a constitutional duty of the President; turning it into a protest isn't about disliking Bush, his policies, or the war, it's about making your personal vendetta bigger than the Constitution.
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http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html

Apparently Cindy wasn't the only one
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SVPD wrote:http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html

Apparently Cindy wasn't the only one
Interesting...Ejected..not arrested..
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom."
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theski wrote:
SVPD wrote:http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html

Apparently Cindy wasn't the only one
Interesting...Ejected..not arrested..
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom."
Probably because she left when she was asked and didn't ignore the cops...

Funny, I generally don't arrest people when I tellthem they need to leave some place and they comply too.
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SVPD wrote:
theski wrote:
SVPD wrote:http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html

Apparently Cindy wasn't the only one
Interesting...Ejected..not arrested..
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom."
Probably because she left when she was asked and didn't ignore the cops...

Funny, I generally don't arrest people when I tellthem they need to leave some place and they comply too.
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Fire Fly wrote:The entire event is being attended by almost every law maker of all the branches. You would think that wearing something a little more formal is common sense. And I reiterate again, there is a right time when to protest and a wrong time when to protest.
She was sitting quietly in chair. In other words she wasn't protesting, numbnuts. You claimed there's a dress code for the State of the Union. Prove it.
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Nice red herring asshole. Explain how any of that justifies the arrest of someone who has not broken any laws. Then go fuck yourself.
I'm beginning to thing think that she's more of a liberal activist pimping her dead son for a cause rather than a grieving mother wanting to keep anyone elses kids from dying.
Yeah, I'm sure you're qualified to comment on how an authentic grieving parent acts. :wanker:
Stravo wrote:Personally she comes off as a shrill iritant now. Her message is completely lost in her theatrics. A huge point would have been made if she just sat there quietly during the speech and you just know cameras would have focussed on her during the Iraq parts of the speech stealing some of Bush's thunder and acting like a big elephant in the room of a counterpoint to his "evrything is progressing" bullshit.

Instead she had to be an annoying sneak and she got busted for it. I mean seriously, the T-Shirt idea is just plain stupid.
Busted for what? What law did she break when she was sitting quietly in a chair? If a man can wear a "FUCK THE DRAFT!" shirt in a courthouse, what's so bad about "2245 Dead -How Many More?" or "Support Our Troops" (which got the wife of a Congressman kicked out, though she wasn't arrested)?
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tharkûn wrote:The Capitol Police cannot do anything without reasonable cause. For all they know Sheehan planned to be the model of decorum during the speech itself, and slip off her blouse for the cameras after. Once she gave them probable cause that she was going to protest during the speech itself, she gets carted away. I have no idea if what she was wearing was all that disruptive, but until she reveals it - that which cannot be seen cannot be disruptive.
What probable cause? They had as much right to arrest her as they would have had arresting the late Coretta Scott King. I can't help but wonder when the CSI team is going to show up and dust your chin for Bush's ball prints.
Gil Hamilton wrote:Not that the Capitol Police probably wouldn't have hauled her off anyway. However, I do find it queer that the Capitol Police, who almost certainly searched her on entry, didn't find that shirt before she'd gotten to her seat. Weren't there searches?
She was wearing a sweatshirt or jacket (hard to tell) over it when she walked in. Once she was recognized, they were going to kick her out.
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SVPD wrote:I think anyone wearing a T-Shirt out to be at least kicked out, regardless of who the President is or whether the shirt has a message.

This is a formal event. It's just like any other; you show up dressed for the occasion.

Reporting on the State of the Union is a constitutional duty of the President; turning it into a protest isn't about disliking Bush, his policies, or the war, it's about making your personal vendetta bigger than the Constitution.
Prove that there's a dress code for the State of the Union.
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The charge was later changed to unlawful conduct, Schneider said.
"Unlawful conduct"? What a bullshit law. How is that even defined?
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Uraniun235 wrote:
The charge was later changed to unlawful conduct, Schneider said.
"Unlawful conduct"? What a bullshit law. How is that even defined?
It's probably the same as "disorderly conduct" here in Ohio... it just has a stupid name.
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