Stray turbolaser bolts and ecological damage

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-22 12:06am

Oh, just drop the holocaust already. Saxton was wrong. He's human. He can be wrong.

Jesus Christ, some people...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-22 12:26am

pecker wrote:Oh, just drop the holocaust already. Saxton was wrong. He's human. He can be wrong.

Jesus Christ, some people...

It's possible. There's nothing definetive. It's going to depend on peoples interpretation.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-22 12:31am

pecker wrote:Endor wasn't fucked by the debris, obviously. Anybody who believes that has too much time on their hands and/or is WAY too cynical.

Not this debate again. Why does anyone who understands basic principles of debris have too much time on their hands? Having knowledge of something pretty much means that it takes NO time to understand that Endor would be utterly destroyed. Why is it cynical to believe that our current understandings of the science associated with such a massive explosion are true?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-22 12:56am

Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote:Oh, just drop the holocaust already. Saxton was wrong. He's human. He can be wrong.

Jesus Christ, some people...
It's possible. There's nothing definetive. It's going to depend on peoples interpretation.

Bullshit. Endor wasn't fucked up. The end.

Therefore, we have to come up with a way for it to be possible, knowing what we know from Saxton, for Endor to have been preserved. That leaves:

a) Other, planetary, shield up when DS2 blows

b) Repulsor device used to push debris and DS2 remnants away from Endor

c) Somehow smaller shields, tractoring, and shooting down of enough debris to stop the Endorian holocaust.

d) (Worst reason) Wormhole caused by disrupted space from a nearby blackhole draws in significant Death Star debris and deposits it near Calamari....including Vader's hand...(I'm serious this is the explanation given for allowing the Vader glove to end up on Calamari for the Glove of Darth Vader series to be even remotely true)

Likely some combo of all above .

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-22 01:10am

Master of Ossus wrote:
pecker wrote:Endor wasn't fucked by the debris, obviously. Anybody who believes that has too much time on their hands and/or is WAY too cynical.
Not this debate again. Why does anyone who understands basic principles of debris have too much time on their hands? Having knowledge of something pretty much means that it takes NO time to understand that Endor would be utterly destroyed. Why is it cynical to believe that our current understandings of the science associated with such a massive explosion are true?

Because it's a movie. That's why.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-22 01:20am

Pecker, just shut the fuck up, you immature, irrational little tit.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-11-22 01:24am

It's possible. There's nothing definetive. It's going to depend on peoples interpretation.

Actually, it's all in the way Saxton formulated his conclusion. He said "X happened and this caused Y," where X is the destruction of the DS and Y is the holocaust he refers to.

HOWEVER, we have evidence W that Y didn't happen. So, what should Saxton do? Should he say "W didn't happen"? No, because it's pretty clear that W did happen. So, he should have made the conclusion, "X indicates that Y should happen, but W indicates that it doesn't, so we can conclude that Z was in place." Z, of course, is "some solution that kept Y from happening". What this solution is happens to be immaterial.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-22 01:38am

There is unambiguous EU evidence that Endor is alive. Kyp Durron went there, and there was no mention of a holocaust. Can we just stop beating the dead horse?

Pure canon- Endor dead

EU- Endor alive

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-22 01:41am

Vympel wrote:There is unambiguous EU evidence that Endor is alive. Kyp Durron went there, and there was no mention of a holocaust. Can we just stop beating the dead horse?

Pure canon- Endor dead

EU- Endor alive

Actually, there is the X-wing reference making it a little more ambigous.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-22 01:42am

Why don't we just say that Endor was kicked in the balls?

That should cover it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-22 01:44am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Why don't we just say that Endor was kicked in the balls?

That should cover it.

Because there is reason to suggest that there was devestation but perhaps not a completel holocaust. Then again I would wager that Endor was on the brink for a long while.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-22 01:49am

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Not killed, not alive, just kicked in the balls.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-22 01:09pm

Stormbringer wrote:
pecker wrote:Oh, just drop the holocaust already. Saxton was wrong. He's human. He can be wrong.

Jesus Christ, some people...
It's possible. There's nothing definetive. It's going to depend on peoples interpretation.

In Essential Guides to Aliens and Creatures, the Ewok section, has an Ewok wedding taking place on Endor years after ROTJ. I'd say that is pretty definitive

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-22 01:10pm

Spartan wrote:Endor is Dead. In Wedges Gamble it explicitly states that the Ewok are exstinct.

No it does not. It has the ewoks stuffed in a museum. It never says anything one way or the other about extinction.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-22 01:11pm

Fuck, I need to read the whole page before responding.