NARTH---wtf is it?

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

http://www.narth.com/menus/about.html

What the fuck is nart? And is that even a real scientific organization. They seem to disgree with teh AAA and the APA.

[Admiral Valdemar]

You know those "+" weren't needed on the end, right?

They're a real organisation, one that seems to be devoted to "curing" homosexuals that so require treatment for whatever reason.

[Justforfun000]

What are they? A bunch of fundie morons disguised as real scientists that butcher the tenets of science by going at things backwards. They go from the (unsupported) conclusion that homosexuality is unnatural and changeable, and try to find evidence proving they can alter this "behaviour".

They have piss-poor methodology, horrible follow up, and apologistic behaviour regarding every imaginable failure and unresponsive subject.

Essentially, they are quacks.

[Admiral Valdemar]

What are they? A bunch of fundie morons disguised as real scientists that butcher the tenets of science by going at things backwards. They go from the (unsupported) conclusion that homosexuality is unnatural and changeable, and try to find evidence proving they can alter this "behaviour".

They have piss-poor methodology, horrible follow up, and apologistic behaviour regarding every imaginable failure and unresponsive subject.

Essentially, they are quacks.

Given their clients go to them willingly, I'd say you've got the wrong end of the stick.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

Ahh Ok. I didn't know if they were real and credible, or not. They seem to disagree with other organizations.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Ahh Ok. I didn't know if they were real and credible, or not. They seem to disagree with other organizations.

Which would not be a requisite attribute for a quack society.

[Wicked Pilot]

And is that even a real scientific organization?

Read their position statements.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Are they a real organization? Yes.

Are they credible? no

They have something like a .3% sucess rate when attempting to cure homosexuals... that is not enough to be statistically significant

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

http://www.narth.com/menus/about.html++

What the fuck is nart? And is that even a real scientific organization. They seem to disgree with teh AAA and the APA.

Silly Boi, you put the flash suppressor on the wrong end! Here, lemme fix that.

/me unscrews the FS off the butt end of the link and onto the pointy end.

++http://www.narth.com/menus/about.html

In the process, Ein's hand accidentally grabs Tigerlily's...

...and TL pulls it back*

EIN: My hands are dirty too... What are you afraid of?

TL: Afraid of?

EIN: You're trembling!

TL: I'm not trembling.

"Then with an irresistible combination of physical strength and emotional power, the longhaired railgunner begins to draw Tigerlily toward him...very slowly.*

EIN: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough
scoundrels in your life.

*Tigerlily is now very close to Ein and as he speaks, his voice becomes an excited whisper, a tone completely in opposition to his words.*

TL: I happen to like nice men.

EIN: I'm a nice man.

TL: No, you're not. You're...

*Ein kisses TL now, with slow, hot lips. He takes his time, as though he had forever, bending Tigerlily's body backward. Tigerlily has never been kissed like this before, and it almost makes him faint. When Ein stops, Tigerlily regains his breath and tries to work up some indignation, but finds it hard to talk. Suddenly, Rogue 9 appears in the doorway, speaking excitedly.*

ROGUE 9: Sir, sir! I've isolated the reverse power flux coupling.

*Ein turns slowly, icily, from their embrace.*

EIN: Thank you. Thank you very much.

ROGUE 9: Oh, you're perfectly welcome, sir.

*Dalton the Wookiee nearly chokes on his wookiee cookies laughing.*

DALTON: Hahahaha!

EIN: Laugh it up fuzzball!

*The moment spoiled, Ein marches out after Rogue 9...*

[darthdavid]

*snip*

[fgalkin]

snip

FUQ YOU!!!!!!!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Justforfun000]

Given their clients go to them willingly, I'd say you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Clients go to little old ladies claiming to be psychics "willingly". This doesn't change the fact they can be quacks.

They are not a credible organization. They try their best to look like it on the surface, but dig a little underneath and you'll find holes in their stances big enough to drive a truck through.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

Einhander Sn0m4n

I don't know whether to thank you, hug you, or... = (X)


Anyway. Can someone tell me what is the best thing to do with link? I am not sure about the whole ++ thing. Should I just dress any and all links instead?

[sketerpot]

Anyway. Can someone tell me what is the best thing to do with link? I am not sure about the whole ++ thing. Should I just dress any and all links instead?

If you have a link to a crazy site that you don't want to find us, stick a plus in front of the name. Like this: +http://www.raptureready.com/

This prevents phpBB from making it into a link. Any other links, you should dress.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Einhander Sn0m4n

I don't know whether to thank you, hug you, or... = (X)


Anyway. Can someone tell me what is the best thing to do with link? I am not sure about the whole ++ thing. Should I just dress any and all links instead?

I thinjk we need a sticky made relating to proper use of Flash Suppressors on links...

[Fuzzy]

*almost enters the thread...*

*quickly copy pastes*

Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.

*walks away slowly*

[Alyrium Denryle]

*almost enters the thread...*

*quickly copy pastes*

Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.

*walks away slowly*

Are you giving an example of something rom NARTH to prove that they are quacks? Or are you trying to prove something by not actually defending your pint an in generaly being a worthless trolling hatfucker?

[Alyrium Denryle]

IE. DO you have a source for that shit,

[Fuzzy]

*almost enters the thread...*

*quickly copy pastes*

Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.

*walks away slowly*

Are you giving an example of something rom NARTH to prove that they are quacks? Or are you trying to prove something by not actually defending your pint an in generaly being a worthless trolling hatfucker?

Did you look at it? It seems bizzare that they would claim that being gay makes you more prone to "high-risk sexual behavior." What does that mean anyway? I'd like to see evidence to prove that first.

[Alyrium Denryle]

*almost enters the thread...*

*quickly copy pastes*

Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.

*walks away slowly*

Are you giving an example of something rom NARTH to prove that they are quacks? Or are you trying to prove something by not actually defending your pint an in generaly being a worthless trolling hatfucker?

Did you look at it? It seems bizzare that they would claim that being gay makes you more prone to "high-risk sexual behavior." What does that mean anyway? I'd like to see evidence to prove that first.

Just making sure.

But yeah, I dont see a causal relation. Sure, get two males together and they will do stuff, merely because they are sexually dirven males. But High Risk Sexual Behavior needs to be defined.

[Guardsman Bass]

Having just looked at their position statement, it makes me think. If they believe that the development of homosexuality is a matter of psychology, shouldn't this mean that sexuality in general probably is, and therefore heterosexuality is also a matter of psychology?

Either way, that is weird.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

You know those "+" weren't needed on the end, right?

They're a real organisation, one that seems to be devoted to "curing" homosexuals that so require treatment for whatever reason.

What is the methods of "curing" homosexuals? Exposing them to naked women until they get sexually aroused? Well, if that's the case I would be pretending gay just to get the treatment.

[Alyrium Denryle]

You know those "+" weren't needed on the end, right?

They're a real organisation, one that seems to be devoted to "curing" homosexuals that so require treatment for whatever reason.

What is the methods of "curing" homosexuals? Exposing them to naked women until they get sexually aroused? Well, if that's the case I would be pretending gay just to get the treatment.

Electric shock aversion therapy etc.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Having just looked at their position statement, it makes me think. If they believe that the development of homosexuality is a matter of psychology, shouldn't this mean that sexuality in general probably is, and therefore heterosexuality is also a matter of psychology?

Either way, that is weird.

The only thing this group does is contribute to mental disorders in homosexuals. You can "make" a homosexual "straight", but in doing so you basically create a neurotic individual incapable of functioning in society. Their success stories are precious few--one big name homosexual who served as a spokesman for either this group or another (I forget now) and had supposedly been "cured" of homosexuality was later caught cheating with another man on the woman he'd married, so that even their star case and spokesperson turned out to have the "success" of getting married just to cheat on his wife with another man.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

I note that most of the people who voluntarily enter programmes like this are suffering from seriously low self-esteem from the extreme bigotry they face in society. The end result is that they are essentially being preyed upon in a state of weakness and the consequences of what's indoctrinated into them in what is often comparable to clinic depression is in the low run quite negative.