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James Bond has NEVER BEEN RUGGED. He has always been immaculate and neat. His most popular and identifiable image is him wearing a FUCKING tuxedo!Darth Garden Gnome wrote:It would be hilarious to see Bloom's impression of rugged and manly, but not at the expense of a James Bond movie.Ghost Rider wrote:Orlando Bloom literally in almost every movie so far he's been is pretty, not rugged, not handsome, not manly...pretty.
While true he doesn't fit the most apt definition of rugged...Connery and Moore and hell Bronsan and Dalton when they had to do rugged...looked like they were still Bond, just dirtied up.Stofsk wrote:James Bond has NEVER BEEN RUGGED. He has always been immaculate and neat. His most popular and identifiable image is him wearing a FUCKING tuxedo!Darth Garden Gnome wrote:It would be hilarious to see Bloom's impression of rugged and manly, but not at the expense of a James Bond movie.Ghost Rider wrote:Orlando Bloom literally in almost every movie so far he's been is pretty, not rugged, not handsome, not manly...pretty.
Rugged = Indiana Jones. It doesn't equal James Bond.
Ah yes. James Bond Jr. I remember that cartoon.Jim Raynor wrote:For several months, Pierce Brosnan has been distancing himself from the project and pundits have taken that to mean he's retired as Bond. And complicating things, Orlando Bloom is being courted to play a teenaged 007, based on a series of books that Miramax will start publishing in the fall, and to replace Brosnan in the next adventure.
FUCK NO.
Yeah, that might be it.neoolong wrote:Well it does say "as reported by Variety."
Just about every "it" actor in Hollywood has been rumored to be the new James Bond.Solauren wrote:I also heard a rumour that Hugh Jackman was underconsideration for the role.
Personally, I think Hugh or Ewan would be good bonds. Can't be worse then Orlando Bloom
Also, they were considering a female Bond.....but I remember the idea to make Bond black...Admiral Valdemar wrote:Anyone remember the idea they had for making Bond black?? I shit you not, they wanted to give a black actor a go at it, because, you know, no one could fault that decision due to PCness.
Incidentally, the CIA agent who appeared in GoldenEye after dying as an American arms dealer in the second to last film is called Wade. For some reason even he is gone and now we have Mr. Blonde, I mean, Falco. Wonder where Felix Leiter went...
I'd have to say that only TWINE really annoyed me. TND and DAD were all fine to me, though DAD had moments it seemed a bit too corny and the whole "Look, it's Halle-fucking-Berry!" thing pissed me off no end as if she was the only Bond girl (and she sucked).Robert Treder wrote:Honestly, aside from a lingering love for classic Bond, does anybody care anymore? How can you still have hope after the recent string of shit? The only (relatively) good recent Bond movie was GoldenEye, and that's nine years old now.
The Bond movies have become a big self-referential joke. For anybody to take them seriously anymore, they need new ideas, rather than to worry about what actor will run through the same, tired, watered-down routine.
Something needs to change for the Bond franchise to be brought back to life, something bigger than just adding the latest fad heart-throb to play the same tired character. Howabout a series in which James Bond has grown too old for dangerous field work, and his protege, 008 (or 00X, or whatever you like), young, brash, and talented, takes center stage at MI6. James (played by Connery) is in a supporting role, but it's obvious that he's uncomfortable as such, and he's itching to get into action again. But the new guy (Jude Law, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, whothefuckever) wins the audience (and Bond) over with his new and different personality (this is key; he can't just be a Bond clone), and starts his own successful series of movies, until they become stale and something else shakes the franchise up.
Yeah, it's schlocky, but it isn't more of the same James Bond bullshit.
He doesn't have to be cockier. In fact, the more different he is from Bond, the better, as long as he is still likeable.Admiral Valdemar wrote:To do what you proposed has been done before in other franchises. The most recent I can think of is the Metal Gear Solid series where the second game had - much to the chagrin of myself - another, younger and cockier version of the main character in the driving seat instead.
Well, if they're not going to shake things up, they might as well just let the series die. I don't fault them for still making the movies, since they still make money, but it's only a matter of time before people stop spending money on the same old thing (then again, the bible still sells well). The franchise has been artistically dead for years.It wasn't taken to too well since the damn franchise is about the guy he replaced. Sure, you can see Bond or Solid Snake in my example in another light, but don't expect that radical new step to work. It's almost, but not quite, as bad as trying a black or female Bond.
Yeah, I'm not saying it should be serious, I'm saying they should get new jokes. I can't imagine being amused by the current movies. It's like, "OMG, did you see that gadget? It was so leet, lol! Wow, that chick is hot, Bond should do her - oh wait, there he goes!"And from memory, since when did James Bond take himself seriously anyway? They've always had injokes and gags and elements that set it apart from, say, The Bourne Identity or Spy Game.
A contrast would be good, though that would likely involve some overconfident brat instead of an experienced gentlemen. That's usually how the cliché goes; wise mentor and rookie rebel.Robert Treder wrote:
He doesn't have to be cockier. In fact, the more different he is from Bond, the better, as long as he is still likeable.
I'm sure they were saying that when they made Diamonds Are Forever or even A View To A Kill which saw Bond actors leaving and ideas coming up short. It doesn't help that all of Fleming's books have been used up ages ago and the new novels are looked to for inspiration. I can't for the live of me imagine Bond not saving the world at least once a decade on the silverscreen, but maybe it will die a death. Star Trek has (or at least, seemingly has until the eleventh film crops up).Well, if they're not going to shake things up, they might as well just let the series die. I don't fault them for still making the movies, since they still make money, but it's only a matter of time before people stop spending money on the same old thing (then again, the bible still sells well). The franchise has been artistically dead for years.
There's also the product placement, something I, Robot has topped thus far. It was nice to have DAD full of Easter Eggs and all. Added something to the experience, alas, with no more Q and various other secondary characters, the setup has changed, even Bond's humour. While I can do without Spider-man's pretty craptacular one-liners, we always need Bond to make a quick witticism after dispatching another villain. The Governator took up Bond's habit in his films, so it'd be odd not having at least those in still.Yeah, I'm not saying it should be serious, I'm saying they should get new jokes. I can't imagine being amused by the current movies. It's like, "OMG, did you see that gadget? It was so leet, lol! Wow, that chick is hot, Bond should do her - oh wait, there he goes!"
The current Bond movies just say to the audience, in their best Chris Farley impression, "Remember when Bond did this? Wasn't that awesome? Re-remember when Bond did that? That was awesome."
I thought Golden Eye was one of their best films ever, actually. I didn't like TND, either, and TWINE sucked, but DAD had its moments (and the non-Halle Berry chick).Robert Treder wrote:Honestly, aside from a lingering love for classic Bond, does anybody care anymore? How can you still have hope after the recent string of shit? The only (relatively) good recent Bond movie was GoldenEye, and that's nine years old now.
Seriously. The whole megalomaniacal enemy is somewhat cool, but there's only so many of those that you can take.The Bond movies have become a big self-referential joke. For anybody to take them seriously anymore, they need new ideas, rather than to worry about what actor will run through the same, tired, watered-down routine.
That would be cool, but I think it would be fun to have the young guy as this totally professional workaholic that Connery keeps trying to corrupt (at least for the first movie or so). So, basically, this guy is on the up-and-up in large part because he's so serious and professional (and, remember, M and the rest of the gang only nominally put up with James' behavior because he was so good), and Connery's still out to bang the chicks and blow up the cars. Not only does that defeat the stupid cliche about young people not taking anything seriously, but it would also be really funny to see Connery going for the wine list and the bra straps and the young guy trying to figure out a way to tell the legendary James Bond that the world depended on their sobriety. I can definitely see potential for something like that, though.Howabout a series in which James Bond has grown too old for dangerous field work, and his protege, 008 (or 00X, or whatever you like), young, brash, and talented, takes center stage at MI6.James (played by Connery) is in a supporting role, but it's obvious that he's uncomfortable as such, and he's itching to get into action again. But the new guy (Jude Law, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, whothefuckever) wins the audience (and Bond) over with his new and different personality (this is key; he can't just be a Bond clone), and starts his own successful series of movies, until they become stale and something else shakes the franchise up.
Yeah, it's schlocky, but it isn't more of the same James Bond bullshit.
Bah, forget Bond, Clive Owen needs to do a spinoff series of The Bourne Identity that focuses on his character from that movie, The Professor.I was hoping to say it first, but Doug beat me to it. Clive Owen is the next Bond. As good as Jackman and Bana are, I believe Owen deserves the role and would gladly accept it.
I have to say, I rather liked The World is Not Enough and (oddly enough considering we were discussing Bond films earlier today) so did a lot of my friends. I think a lot of that was because it was a return to the less than total, nearly non-stop action. It had a bit more suave secret agent to it rather than all super-hero.I thought Golden Eye was one of their best films ever, actually. I didn't like TND, either, and TWINE sucked, but DAD had its moments (and the non-Halle Berry chick).
I think when you're talking about the sort of one dimensional characters that a lot of the villians are definitely. But lets face it, a cool villian that's actually got a fair amount of depth to them would be awesome. One reason Goldeneye was good was it had some good villians, Trevelyan and Onnatop. One reason The World is Not Enough is another favorite was I really did get the feeling that Elektra got to Bond in a pretty serious way and that she really could win. Hell, I loved how they spun the end.Seriously. The whole megalomaniacal enemy is somewhat cool, but there's only so many of those that you can take.
I agree. In my opinion Golden Eye is the best Pierce Brosnan Bond movie,I thought Golden Eye was one of their best films ever, actually. I didn't like TND, either, and TWINE sucked, but DAD had its moments (and the non-Halle Berry chick).
I doubt anyone would argue that. Let's count the vehicles recked in that movie:evilcat4000 wrote:I agree. In my opinion Golden Eye is the best Pierce Brosnan Bond movie,
Turn the cliche on it's head. James Bond the overconfident but experienced gentleman tasked with tutouring the younger but cautious raw recruit. Bond is the very personification of overconfidence. Seriously, he has a rediculous character shield. It would be interesting to have him paired with someone who's less prone to taking risks and more careful in his actions.Admiral Valdemar wrote:A contrast would be good, though that would likely involve some overconfident brat instead of an experienced gentlemen. That's usually how the cliché goes; wise mentor and rookie rebel.Robert Treder wrote:He doesn't have to be cockier. In fact, the more different he is from Bond, the better, as long as he is still likeable.
