Having children: Blood or Person?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-25 09:33pm

Tevar: shush you. gagme refuses debate his points, so i have to try to do it for him.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-25 09:39pm

well, he's here now, so I'm out.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-07-25 09:43pm

Koji is claiming what he has said are my points. This is bullshit and they are not. All of my points I made in AIM discussion and I'm not suppose to show, since it was private. But I got pissed at him and asked him to post on here because I knew the reaction would be this.

My opinions are I want my own children because I feel a desire to do so. Koji flat out called me racist for saying this, because I seemed to feel my "DNA was superior". Whatever Koji, I get the feeling you're a bit of a troll.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-07-25 09:45pm

The definition of racism is in the dictionary, and nothing about wanting to have biological children fits that definition. I don't even know how that can be an argument at all.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-07-25 09:45pm

kojikun wrote:Tevar: shush you. gagme refuses debate his points, so i have to try to do it for him.

What does that have to do with it?

Are you posting Gagme's points verbatium, or are these your ideas of what Gagme wants to say?

I think Gagme made his point very clear in one post, without all the doubletalk you've been spouting.

Yes, Gagme, I know several men get a thrill out of the "I did that" when it comes to getting their women pregnant. However, that is more a testosterone-driven ego-boost than actually caring for a child and raising it, yours or not. Even the most non-child-support-paying penis-driven multiple-father-by-different-mothers scumbag gets a thrill out of 'I got her pregnant, dude".

But that's not what I assumed we were debating here. I thought we were supposed to be debating whether you love your 'blood' child over your adopted child as you're raising them.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-07-25 09:46pm

Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-07-25 09:49pm

Super-Gagme wrote:Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason

Well one can usually put that in venting or purposes of proof against said party.

It's mostly not kosher to do it in the opening bout, but people have done it to prove a point of argument between two posters.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-25 09:50pm

I did not call you racist for wanting your own children. You're stretching things.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-07-25 09:50pm

Super-Gagme wrote:Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason

It's best to ignore confrontational assholes with superiority complexs....

Wait. That explains why no one AIM's me!

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-07-25 09:51pm

Super-Gagme wrote:Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason

I will leave that decision up to Wong.

Also, I realize that what I said about the scumbags might be taken wrong. I'm not comparing you to them: it's meant as a generalization of the male tendancy to see getting their woman pregnant as a symbol of their virility and power of their manhood.

Remember, even the Egyptians bragged about how many kids they could sire.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2004-07-25 09:53pm

SirNitram wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason
It's best to ignore confrontational assholes with superiority complexs....

Wait. That explains why no one AIM's me!

Hey, you've even stopped cybering with me on AIM. That's why I don't IM you.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-07-25 09:55pm

SirNitram wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:Well like I said, I saved the aim discussion, but I'm informed it is frowned upon to relay private stuff on the forum. Even if he's the one that came to me on AIM and started the whole fucking thing for no god damn reason
It's best to ignore confrontational assholes with superiority complexs....

Wait. That explains why no one AIM's me!

I AIM you. But then again I am also an arrogant social darwinist son of a bitch.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2004-07-25 09:55pm

And we managed to go off topic, provide TMI and talk about something sexual all in one post. Yay for SDNet

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-07-25 10:11pm

kojikun wrote:I did not call you racist for wanting your own children. You're stretching things.

Gagme is the one who's stretching things when koji is the one comparing parental DNA preference to racism.

Sometimes the comedy writes itself.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-25 10:13pm

Howedar wrote:Gagme is the one who's stretching things when koji is the one comparing parental DNA preference to racism.

Sometimes the comedy writes itself.

theres a difference between lying about what someone says and making a bad comparison.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-26 01:45am

kojikun wrote:I tried my best to put it into words. I think the main question got through tho: Why is blood so important in a child, should it be, and why?

Blood is very important. If I'm going to invest time, energy, resoucres and LOVE on a child, I want that child to be a continuation of my beloved genes. That doesn't make me racist, Koji, no matter how much you want to imply that it will.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-26 01:56am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Blood is very important. If I'm going to invest time, energy, resoucres and LOVE on a child, I want that child to be a continuation of my beloved genes. That doesn't make me racist, Koji, no matter how much you want to imply that it will.

I didn't say it was racist, just inspired by the same biological motiviations that cause racism. Whats so important about your genes tho? You got stuck with your genes, they're not an achievement or anything. What makes you or your children good people is not your DNA, it's what you do and what you achieve. Being proud of your DNA is like being proud that the sun rises or that there are tides. It's not of your doing nor your control.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-07-26 01:58am

kojikun wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Blood is very important. If I'm going to invest time, energy, resoucres and LOVE on a child, I want that child to be a continuation of my beloved genes. That doesn't make me racist, Koji, no matter how much you want to imply that it will.
I didn't say it was racist, just inspired by the same biological motiviations that cause racism.

That is fucking stupid. The drive to reproduce and propagate one's own genetic material is intrinsic to all life forms and has nothing to do with the social behaviours that lead to racism, you idiot.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-26 01:58am

kojikun wrote: If I were to have a child, I would adopt. I learned long ago that who people are is more important than what they are. I can't find any reason beyond satisfaction of some desire to propogate my genes for fathering a child when I could adopt. I take no pride in my genes, I take pride in what I can achieve myself, so I have no desire to propogate my genes.

And the gene pool says: Thank you! ...Sucker.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-26 02:07am

Darth Wong wrote:That is fucking stupid. The drive to reproduce and propagate one's own genetic material is intrinsic to all life forms and has nothing to do with the social behaviours that lead to racism, you idiot.

The drive to preference our own genes over that of others is precisely the reason we have racism and precisely the reason people have issues with not being the biological parent of their own child. Both stem from drives to ensure our genes are the surviving genes, racism specifically comes from an extension of competition within the species. It's bred into us to prefer our "kind", and our genes, above others.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-26 02:08am

kojikun wrote:
I didn't say it was racist, just inspired by the same biological motiviations that cause racism. Whats so important about your genes tho? You got stuck with your genes, they're not an achievement or anything. What makes you or your children good people is not your DNA, it's what you do and what you achieve. Being proud of your DNA is like being proud that the sun rises or that there are tides. It's not of your doing nor your control.

I want my DNA to continue. I think my DNA's just great and I want future generations to benefit from it, too. My name may not live on forever, but ideally some part of me will--and my DNA has the best chance.

Besides, my DNA has provided me with many talents, artistic skills, and a mighty brain, all of which are great resources for children to have. Might even make them better people.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-26 02:08am

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:And the gene pool says: Thank you! ...Sucker.

Do I care what the genepool says? Since when are humans bound by evolution and natural selection in this day and age?

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-07-26 02:10am

kojikun wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:And the gene pool says: Thank you! ...Sucker.
Do I care what the genepool says? Since when are humans bound by evolution and natural selection in this day and age?

?

?

You have to be kidding.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-07-26 02:10am

kojikun wrote:The drive to preference our own genes over that of others is precisely the reason we have racism and precisely the reason people have issues with not being the biological parent of their own child. Both stem from drives to ensure our genes are the surviving genes, racism specifically comes from an extension of competition within the species. It's bred into us to prefer our "kind", and our genes, above others.

Note: I'm not saying the desire to reproduce is linked to racism, I'm saying the steadfast insistance that OUR DNA and OUR blood is of such great importants when having a child.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-07-26 02:10am

kojikun wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That is fucking stupid. The drive to reproduce and propagate one's own genetic material is intrinsic to all life forms and has nothing to do with the social behaviours that lead to racism, you idiot.
The drive to preference our own genes over that of others is precisely the reason we have racism and precisely the reason people have issues with not being the biological parent of their own child. Both stem from drives to ensure our genes are the surviving genes, racism specifically comes from an extension of competition within the species. It's bred into us to prefer our "kind", and our genes, above others.

I eagerly await proof of this unsupported assertion. I have never heard this backed up by any legitimate source, and if that's changed, I am very eager to see it. And, given the calibur of arguments you tend to quote, deconstruct it.