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Quantum computing is cool

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My class today delved a little into quantum computing today, and it's a lot wackier and cooler than most would think.


Quantum computers use particles as their "bits" instead of the silicon bits we use today. These particles, unlike today's bits which have two states 0 and 1, have no state, so to speak. They can be 1, 0, or something else simultaneously. They don't become a 1 or a 0 or whatever until we "look at it," so to speak. They're constantly changing until we freeze their states, at which point we get a result.

One big advantage of quantum computers are their memory space. You can have exponential memory space from a linear set of bits. Classic problems such as finding the least expensive route between a set of, say, cities that goes to each city once, then back to the origin, becomes much easier.

What's done now is that the computer goes through each possible route. When it's done, it takes all the results and chooses the one that resulted in the shortest route. As you can see, from an N number of cities, you can have an exponential number of possible routes to look through. Therefore, computing stuff like this takes a looooooonng time and a lot of memory.

Quantum computing does not work in this "linear" sort of way. Instead, it's "probalistic." You can optimize a quantum computer to work on a certain problem like the one stated above. You run it, then after a certain time interval you freeze the states of the particles and take the result. If the result is the one you wanted, then you take it. Otherwise, you just run the computer again.

So it's basically like rolling a dice, and randomly searching for the right number. The thing is that a quantum computer has huge memory space, and the whole process takes very little time. Additionally, the probability of finding the right answer is something like 99.9%.

It's pretty hard to understand, but apparently that's how quantum computers work.

As a note, quantum computers are apparently so good that they can solve the most complex of encryption codes today in a matter of minutes. People have in fact done work on making encryption that can actually stand up to quantum computing, but even then it usually fails. So you KNOW you've been cracked, but you can't actually stop them from doing it.


Another neat thing from all this is that if you "tangle" two particles together, then separate them a certain distance apart, then change the state of one, the other will change as well, instantaneously. Scale these particles up into full computer systems, put one on Earth and the other on a Mars expeditionary team and you have, theoretically, instantaneous communications between the two.

Therefore, real FTL communication is, theoretically, much closer to our grasp than we think it is.


Of course, this whole quantum computing thing is at least many decades off into the future, but theoretically it's all known.


We currently use silicon chips now, but the next stop will probably be diamond chips, to account for stuff like rising heat. Organic stuff could be next, possibly. Then farther down the line we have quantum computers.

Actually, there is something even farther called a non-deterministic chip. What it does is, say in the route problem above, when you start it up it is immediately guaranteed to choose the cheapest route. It somehow just knows that it's the shortest route.

If we somehow build a non-deterministic system, it'd be like basically building something that can read the future.


But that's WAAAYY out there, so I'll stop now and let all this fly completely over your heads. :D
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Quantum computing is actually getting closer than you think.

NEC have built the first block in a functional quantum computer, the C-NOT gate, a two bit conditional logic gate. (it is to quantum computing as the XOR gate is to electronic computing)

They think they may have a working quantum computer sometime between a decade and a century from now.

To boggle your head about the predicted capability of quantum computing, a task that would take the Blue Gene supercomputer ten million years to acomplish would take a 100 qubit quantum computer ten seconds, as in an electronic computer, each bit, no matter how many bits, is only ever 0 or 1, whereas in a quantum computer, as the number of qubits increases, the number of possible states that each qubit can represent also increases (the basic function is that a qubuit can be 1, 0, or both at the same time)

Unfortunately, quantum logic gates decohere after a scant few picoseconds, so you con only get one or two operations out of them.

Although those cunning Aussies at the Australian National University have, after a couple of tinnies, managed the first quantum teleportation of laser encoded data to multiple recipients, so there is advancement on other quantum computing lines.

(this form of technology makes possible, for example, a form of transmission that can only be recieved if a certain lower limit of recipients pick the data up, minimisig interception rates. Making high security transactions much easier.)
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Quantum entanglement cannot be used to create a working FTL communications system. I can't remember the details on why at the moment, though.
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shinova/vendetta: superposition is your friend :)

phong: entanglement allows two entangled particles to collapse their wave functions identically. what it collapses to, however, is completely random, and thus you can't determine the end state. so no FTL communications.
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kojikun wrote:shinova/vendetta: superposition is your friend :)

phong: entanglement allows two entangled particles to collapse their wave functions identically. what it collapses to, however, is completely random, and thus you can't determine the end state. so no FTL communications.
In theory that could be a very expensive means of morse code, but.
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SirNitram wrote:In theory that could be a very expensive means of morse code, but.
Reread: The state that the waves collapse into is entirely random. You can't do morse code because you can't "tap" so to speak. You can't force the particles into a certain state.
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kojikun wrote:
SirNitram wrote:In theory that could be a very expensive means of morse code, but.
Reread: The state that the waves collapse into is entirely random. You can't do morse code because you can't "tap" so to speak. You can't force the particles into a certain state.
Yet they would collapse instantly, yes? Here's a really primitive form which would work according to this: If Particle A collapses, Ship A is in trouble.
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SirNitram wrote:Yet they would collapse instantly, yes? Here's a really primitive form which would work according to this: If Particle A collapses, Ship A is in trouble.
True. Collapse vs not could be worked into morse code. Someone should test this type of thing to see how it'd affect causality.
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Shit, no, I know.

In order to detect the collapse, you have to collapse the wave function. In other words, you cannot know whether or not a wave function has been indeed collapsed without collapsing the uncollapsed functions. So there's no way to detect whether or not it has collapsed.

Say THAT three times fast. 0.0
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Quantum computers sound very kickass. It almost sounds sci-fi, but it's real, and not too far off, so thats what makes it very interesting. Someday, i figure, the most advanced computers will be quantum computers.
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:Quantum computers sound very kickass. It almost sounds sci-fi, but it's real, and not too far off, so thats what makes it very interesting. Someday, i figure, the most advanced computers will be quantum computers.
The most advanced computers theoretically possible are non-deterministic machines, which by definition will accomplish any task you give it instantaneously and produce the correct result every single time regardless of input.

Basically a God machine, one can say.
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Quantum entanglement is used in modern quantum cryptography, we've recently moved onto photons and if the particles collapse then we know the wave function has been observed and someone accidentally or on purpose is trying to view the cypher. This gives 100% safe encryption and is used by the massive international banks.
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:Quantum computers sound very kickass. It almost sounds sci-fi, but it's real, and not too far off, so thats what makes it very interesting. Someday, i figure, the most advanced computers will be quantum computers.
I remember that at least one research team has actually implemented a quantum algorithm:


http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993114
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Quantum entanglement is used in modern quantum cryptography, we've recently moved onto photons and if the particles collapse then we know the wave function has been observed and someone accidentally or on purpose is trying to view the cypher. This gives 100% safe encryption and is used by the massive international banks.
are you sure about that? how do they determine if the wave function has collapsed or not??
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Last summer I was working with a group trying to build a quantom computer and look, they haven't taken my name off the page yet...
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