The Culture vs. the Galactic Empire

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 03:29pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:I know that. I was just saying that the Force is an advantage for SW's side.

Its no more of an advantage than a pair of toe-nail clippers. You do realize the Culture could wipe out the ENTIRE SW universe in what? (purely speculative) Hours? No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-12 03:37pm

Sounds like Baka-chan just doesn't like the Culture so he's resorting to nonsensical methods of victory.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 03:55pm

You do realize the Culture could wipe out the ENTIRE SW universe in what? (purely speculative) Hours?

The galaxy, possibly, but how could tehy wipe out an entire universe in a few hours. I don't think they can move that fast.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-04-12 03:56pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: Its no more of an advantage than a pair of toe-nail clippers. You do realize the Culture could wipe out the ENTIRE SW universe in what? (purely speculative) Hours? No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.

Seriously, that capability is only theoretical. Whether or not Gridfire can actually do that is unknown; Sleeper Service feared that it might happen upon seeing the Excession's Gridfire, but remember that the Excession is and thus no Culture Mind has any way of knowing just where it's limits lie as it has already been observed doing things they had previously considered impossible. Even if it is possible, we have no way of knowing whether or not the Culture can produce an incursion large enough to cover even a few hundred cubic lightyears.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-04-12 03:59pm

Dude, their battles take place across lightyears, and a war that took a minute would be considered long...

Please, try to read about the Culture before you jump into this.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 04:05pm

No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.

They have precognition.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-12 04:08pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:
No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.
They have precognition.

Alright, they know that they are being attaced, and that they have minutes to live.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-04-12 04:12pm

fgalkin wrote:
Eddy the Very Great wrote:
No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.
They have precognition.
Alright, they know that they are being attaced, and that they have minutes to live.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Does gridfire take minutes then?

Cos otherwise that's a generous estimate, from what i've heard.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 04:13pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:They have precognition.

So did the Jedi at Geonosis. Hell of a lot of good that did them, eh?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 04:14pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:The galaxy, possibly, but how could tehy wipe out an entire universe in a few hours. I don't think they can move that fast.

I meant galaxy.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-12 04:14pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:
No Force user would even know they were being attacked before they were vaporized in the un-holy power of a grid-fire.
They have precognition.

Precog would tell a Jedi they are about to die. That is all. Would you like to know why? The Jedi suddenly recieves about 6 seconds warning indicating harm to his left. He attempts to react to block whatever it is. The Culture Drone notes that the Jedi is moving prematurely and is blocking where he was going to attack. He decides to attack 4 seconds early and in a nano second kills the Jedi.

Culture has technology at such a level that they are aware of and can react to the enemy instantly. Whereas it would take us seconds to react to something, they have such a high rate of awareness they can analyize a situation and act upon it in a single nano second. That means anything a Jedi might try to do in defense will be completely useless.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-12 04:15pm

Rye wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
Eddy the Very Great wrote: They have precognition.
Alright, they know that they are being attaced, and that they have minutes to live.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin
Does gridfire take minutes then?

Cos otherwise that's a generous estimate, from what i've heard.

Well, if the Culture opens multiple Grid-fire incursions targeted specifically at the planets with Jedi/Sith on them, then it will indeed take minutes. Don't forget that they will be dead long before the planet is destroyed.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-12 04:18pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:I know that. I was just saying that the Force is an advantage for SW's side.

It is, in the same way that a knife is an advantage in a gun fight.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 04:21pm

Did the writer of these stories just one day decide that SW was too powerful and needed to have something capable of beating it?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-12 04:23pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Did the writer of these stories just one day decide that SW was too powerful and needed to have something capable of beating it?

No, he just wrote the stories and that's how they turned out. Only idiot fanboy's write a whole series of fanfics/novels to be able to beat up the other guys universe; Ian Banks is no moron fanboy.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 04:23pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Did the writer of these stories just one day decide that SW was too powerful and needed to have something capable of beating it?

I don't know if I should laugh at you or feel sorry for you.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 04:27pm

Well, they can beat just about anyone.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 04:28pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Well, they can beat just about anyone.

Glad you're coming around to the idea...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-12 04:28pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Well, they can beat just about anyone.

That would be a well fucking duh, Eddy.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-12 04:35pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Well, they can beat just about anyone.

So? Big deal. That's actually the reason I personally don't care about the Culture: I find their nearly divine level of powe to be boring.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-04-12 04:38pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:Did the writer of these stories just one day decide that SW was too powerful and needed to have something capable of beating it?

FUQ?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 04:45pm

That's actually the reason I personally don't care about the Culture: I find their nearly divine level of powe to be boring.

I agree.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-12 04:47pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:
That's actually the reason I personally don't care about the Culture: I find their nearly divine level of powe to be boring.
I agree.

You haven't even read the fucking books yet you moron.

Eddy the Very Great · Post by **Eddy the Very Great** » 2003-04-12 04:49pm

And I don't plan to. The culture is just too powerful for me to find interesting.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-12 04:51pm

Eddy the Very Great wrote:And I don't plan to. The culture is just too powerful for me to find interesting.

Its not about the tech stupid, its about the story, and the characters, like in ALL books.

Or have you not read one in the last seven years or so?

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