What if scenario (Dresden Files meets game of thrones)
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The edit window is closed so I'd like to add; hopefully some of his chivalry is gone by now, because if not he's fucked. Dresden is prone to treating human women...lightly, as well as making other irrational decisions, if he can't rein in those urges there'll be trouble especially considering how different Westeros' moral code can be from ours at times.
Hell, it's likely that he wouldn't be under the control of any one person.
Oh and yeah, the maesters will probably poison him anyway,
Hell, it's likely that he wouldn't be under the control of any one person.
Oh and yeah, the maesters will probably poison him anyway,
Re: What if scenario (Dresden Files meets game of thrones)
He Had no problem wasting the Duchess Arianna (aka the bitch who kidnapped and planned to murder his kid to avenge a grudge.) He even mocks her before delivering the coup de gras (though it must be said that the bitch really and I mean REALLY earned it.) He also killed Susan to save his daughter. In changes he crosses a lot of lines.
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Arianna was a supernatural creature. I'd agree it smacks of legalism, but the Laws of Magic apparently permits him to use magic against her where using it against a human would be disallowed. Interestingly, he was also permitted to use it against Cowl, an (apparently) human wizard, whereas going off to kill Victor Sells with magic would be the act of a warlock.Darth Yan wrote:He Had no problem wasting the Duchess Arianna (aka the bitch who kidnapped and planned to murder his kid to avenge a grudge.) He even mocks her before delivering the coup de gras (though it must be said that the bitch really and I mean REALLY earned it.)
I reconcile it as follows: the Laws of Magic, like magic itself, partially deals with intent. If you are suddenly attacked by magic, even magic wielded by a human, you are allowed to retaliate until the immediate threat is neutralized. If, however, you knowingly put yourself in a position to use magic against another human, then that is black magic.
It has everything to do with magic. The Susan situation does not apply.Darth Yan wrote:He also killed Susan to save his daughter. In changes he crosses a lot of lines.
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Re: What if scenario (Dresden Files meets game of thrones)
Well Susan at the time he brought the ritual down on her was a vampire anyway, making it so totally not warlock magic for him. Legally anyway. The moral mindfuck he went through after though, that's between he and his inner id.
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Vampires are already dead. This might sound like a technicality, but it is actually the dividing line according to the White Council.Darth Yan wrote:He Had no problem wasting the Duchess Arianna (aka the bitch who kidnapped and planned to murder his kid to avenge a grudge.) He even mocks her before delivering the coup de gras (though it must be said that the bitch really and I mean REALLY earned it.) He also killed Susan to save his daughter. In changes he crosses a lot of lines.
And whilst Harry stepped over the line in Changes, it's pretty much the whole point of Ghost Story that he is a fundamentally moral individual. He doesn't just respect the laws of magic because someone like Morgan is waiting for him to slip up, but because he actually believes in the principles behind them.
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Off topic: does it bother anyone else that none of the characters say anything about this ever? They're all going on about what he did to Molly, and then she's off crying about "you don't want to shag me! Waaah!" but no-one, not even an actual Archangel of God seems to think that planning and executing the murder of his baby mama is something worth mentioning. It gets even worse when you consider that the method by which he murdered her quite possibly damned her soul for eternity.Darth Yan wrote:He also killed Susan to save his daughter. In changes he crosses a lot of lines.
Back on topic: and it's that kind of crap that makes me think Dresden would probably end up turning to the black arts if he stayed in Westeros. Eventually with the power he has he'd end up just roasting someone under the guise of "doing the greater good". It's who he is.
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Guys, I know its been a while since they came out but not everyone has read to the end of the Dresden Files yet. And there aren't any specific spoiler warnings on it.
What I'm trying to say is... Wish I hadn't read this thread now.
What I'm trying to say is... Wish I hadn't read this thread now.
Re: What if scenario (Dresden Files meets game of thrones)
Uriel isn't the kind to show a flashing sign at what you did wrong. He did exactly what you thought he didn't, but not by throwing blatant criticism at Harry. He guided Harry to the point in his thoughts where Harry could literally say to himself "wow, I fucked up", and let Harry's conscience do the rest. Uriel knows Harry has the conscience, but Uriel's style is for Harry to figure it out on his own, if with a little help.Chirios wrote:Off topic: does it bother anyone else that none of the characters say anything about this ever? They're all going on about what he did to Molly, and then she's off crying about "you don't want to shag me! Waaah!" but no-one, not even an actual Archangel of God seems to think that planning and executing the murder of his baby mama is something worth mentioning. It gets even worse when you consider that the method by which he murdered her quite possibly damned her soul for eternity.Darth Yan wrote:He also killed Susan to save his daughter. In changes he crosses a lot of lines.
Back on topic: and it's that kind of crap that makes me think Dresden would probably end up turning to the black arts if he stayed in Westeros. Eventually with the power he has he'd end up just roasting someone under the guise of "doing the greater good". It's who he is.
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Barely any help at all, most of the time. (Except for the right seven words at the right time).Gaidin wrote:riel isn't the kind to show a flashing sign at what you did wrong. He did exactly what you thought he didn't, but not by throwing blatant criticism at Harry. He guided Harry to the point in his thoughts where Harry could literally say to himself "wow, I fucked up", and let Harry's conscience do the rest. Uriel knows Harry has the conscience, but Uriel's style is for Harry to figure it out on his own, if with a little help.
It's worth noting that Uriel is, despite his provenance as an Archangel, also a bit of a bastard.
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One thing I wonder is how Cersei would react to the news that he killed his kid's mother to save her, and how people would react to the red king's description (the guy had manacles made TO FIT CHILDREN and caused far more misery than Aerys's ever did.
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Why would Dresden tell anyone about that? Maybe it would be revealed if he soul gazed someone.
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I think the danger of soulgazing is a lot more straightforward. There are any number of people in Westeros who would empathically be not happy that someone just palpably and unambiguously looked into their innermost heart and secrets.
How much would Littlefinger enjoy having his ambitions and secrets made known for all the world to see? Would Tywin Lannister be any more forgiving?
How much would Littlefinger enjoy having his ambitions and secrets made known for all the world to see? Would Tywin Lannister be any more forgiving?
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Fortunately, its not like Harry goes around soul gazing every one he meets. Its even less likely he'd do it without their consent.
And if someone decides they want his head, well, what else is new? He has half the Wardens and Senior Council, the Denarians, and the Black Council after him, among others. Nobody is killing him one on one unless they pull off a surprise attack, and I'd like to see men with swords succeed where men with guns and magic have failed. Even in an ambush, you're only getting one chance before he's on his guard, and if you don't kill him fast, hello death curse.
And if someone decides they want his head, well, what else is new? He has half the Wardens and Senior Council, the Denarians, and the Black Council after him, among others. Nobody is killing him one on one unless they pull off a surprise attack, and I'd like to see men with swords succeed where men with guns and magic have failed. Even in an ambush, you're only getting one chance before he's on his guard, and if you don't kill him fast, hello death curse.
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The issue, as far as I can tell, is one of sheer numbers. If one of the groups can send enough people at once after him they might be able to kill him just by swarming him. Or maybe trying to kill him while he sleeps.
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As has already been discussed, he can use wards to protect himself while he's asleep.
As for numbers, yes, a large enough number could kill him. The best bet though might be a man with a bow. Basically the Medieval version of Kincade's approach. But they'd need a good shot to hit him and not his enchanted coat, and inflict a serious enough wound that he won't be able to cast a death curse before going down.
As for numbers, yes, a large enough number could kill him. The best bet though might be a man with a bow. Basically the Medieval version of Kincade's approach. But they'd need a good shot to hit him and not his enchanted coat, and inflict a serious enough wound that he won't be able to cast a death curse before going down.
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Death curse is immaterial. A deterrent only works if it's a known factor. The only use it will be for Dresden is posthumous revenge.The Romulan Republic wrote:As has already been discussed, he can use wards to protect himself while he's asleep.
As for numbers, yes, a large enough number could kill him. The best bet though might be a man with a bow. Basically the Medieval version of Kincade's approach. But they'd need a good shot to hit him and not his enchanted coat, and inflict a serious enough wound that he won't be able to cast a death curse before going down.
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