Killing a T-1000

[Darth Wong]

The t-1000 was not damaged by KE impacts, its very clear int he movie, as well as the scripts that you can find all ovet the internet, that prior to the freezing, it did not sustain any damage.

The novelization said that it had sustained too much damage. Too many gunshots, too many falls, too much deformation.

Mike hints that perhaps the 40mm grenade hurt it, I would have to agree here, not because it was blown apart, but because it would have vaporized a very small % of the memetic pollyalloy.

That type of grenade does not melt or vapourize much of anything besides itself. Its energy goes into concussion.

After it was frozen in liquid nitrogen, it started to have a lot of problems, but still was able to recover quickly from the shotgun blast so its right eye. The reason he couldn't recover quickly and stop himself from falling into the liquid steel is because
a. his body was no longer balanced
b. he was 'shocked' like he is after he gets hit by a shotgun

No, he was making a death rattle and not reforming at all.

Suggesting that 100 rounds would hurt it is rediculous, unless each round can vaporize some metal, but i don't think thats possible, i don't think a handgun or 9mm mp5 round can raise the temperature of metal that fast.

Justify your claim that the T-1000 would be the only material in existence which is completely immune to physical stress/strain effects.

[Darth Wong]

This suggests that the T-1000 is, in fact, a colony of nanomachines, working together to a common purpose.

Good. This means that blaster weapons, with a thermal pulse so powerful that it explosively vapourizes ferrocrete will destroy huge chunks of the T-1000, since nanomachine heat capacitance is low. It also means that physical shocks will kill large numbers of nanomachines, so bullets, concussion blasts, etc will wear him down.

Normally, kinetic impacts don't do any damage to the T-1000. The impact is absorbed by the colony, which then just returns to its' normal shape.

And how do you propose that a colony of nanomachines absorbs impact with zero losses or damage? It stops bullets, so it's absorbing several kJ of kinetic energy with each shot. Several kJ is enough to kill a lot of nanomachines unless you assume that the shock is evenly distributed throughout the entire volume, which isn't the case.

[BenRG]

Normally, kinetic impacts don't do any damage to the T-1000. The impact is absorbed by the colony, which then just returns to its' normal shape.

And how do you propose that a colony of nanomachines absorbs impact with zero losses or damage? It stops bullets, so it's absorbing several kJ of kinetic energy with each shot. Several kJ is enough to kill a lot of nanomachines unless you assume that the shock is evenly distributed throughout the entire volume, which isn't the case.

It's been a long time since I read the novelisation, so I am relying on memory here. However, the story says that in later engagements, by the time of the running battle in the parking lot of the Pescadero hospital, the T-1000 was minimising damage by predicting the likely fall of the good guys' shots and 'liquefying' that part of its' body (reducing its' density and viscosity as low as it can without falling apart). The shots (like that 12-guage shot to the head) were going right through causing negligable damage to the colony. There may have still been damage being caused, but it is empirically clear that it wasn't enough to seriously slow down the T-1000.

That aside, I note that the greater the impact energy, the longer it took the T-1000 to regenerate. The 10-guage shotgun blasts stunned the T-1000 for about 5 seconds. The .45"-cal bullet impacts were didn't faze it after the initial battle. Being hit by a full clip of 5.56mm bullets stunned the T-1000 for as long as 15 seconds (enough for the T-800 to take control of the tractor rig and flip it onto its' side). Cumilative damage also caused greater 'stun' periods. I assume that this was caused by the Nanobots removing their casualties from the sites, replacing them and restoring the shape of the colony.

Yes, I think that they can repair their own damaged members. That is a feature of most kinds of nanotechnology that I've seen described. Of course, there must be a net loss of units (beyond repair and vaporised units), but not enough to seriously impede the function of the whole. What the nitrogen freezing and kinetic shattering seems to have done was damage the actual individual nanobots in a way that they began to lose cohesion with their associates and the objectives of the whole.

[ClaysGhost]

Considering what Qui-gon Jinn's lightsaber did to (at least steel) blast doors in TPM, lightsabers impart a tremendous amount of thermal energy along the blade. One wonders why the Jedi don't get burned just being near them.

Magic, obviously

[Stormbringer]

Considering what Qui-gon Jinn's lightsaber did to (at least steel) blast doors in TPM, lightsabers impart a tremendous amount of thermal energy along the blade. One wonders why the Jedi don't get burned just being near them.

Magic, obviously

Or that somehow the direction of the radiant heat is strictly controlled. Some sort of ray sheilding is not impossible.

[Kuja]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

[Omega-13]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

god it is getting worse than startrek

[Kuja]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

god it is getting worse than startrek

WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a FS is?

[Omega-13]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

god it is getting worse than startrek

WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a FS is?

no, nor do I know what a quantum singularity is

[Admiral Valdemar]

I still find it weird how the T-1000 isn't made of nanites but a "smart alloy". Even the Special Circumstances EDust assassin is made from nanites, granted it would still own a legion of Termies anyway.

[Kuja]

god it is getting worse than startrek

WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a FS is?

no, nor do I know what a quantum singularity is

A flashback suppressor is a stucture on the end of both SW weapons and TOS-era rifles (seen in "Where no man has gone before"). It's a spreading out of the barrel to prevent a "flashback" of energy from the bolt or beam emitted.

[Admiral Valdemar]

WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a FS is?

no, nor do I know what a quantum singularity is

A flashback suppressor is a stucture on the end of both SW weapons and TOS-era rifles (seen in "Where no man has gone before"). It's a spreading out of the barrel to prevent a "flashback" of energy from the bolt or beam emitted.

Also used in real guns sometimes to mask the flare from the gunner.

[Kuja]

Also used in real guns sometimes to mask the flare from the gunner.

I know, I was just keeping it withing Scifi.

[Connor MacLeod]

I wonder what a lightsaber would do to it, in terms of longterm damage.

Considering what Qui-gon Jinn's lightsaber did to (at least steel) blast doors in TPM, lightsabers impart a tremendous amount of thermal energy along the blade. One wonders why the Jedi don't get burned just being near them.

Perhaps Jedi can handle/absorb/deflect that degree of heat? Such powers are known to exist (deflection of blaster bolts would require the absorption of at least KJ if not MJ range energy, before redirecting it.)

It would be interesting to know if Qui-Gon was given such a power in any of the games.

[Darth Wong]

Why assume that the sabre constantly dumps heat to its environment? It may be a load-sensitive device. Much as modern motors draw more power when you put a load on them, sabres may pump out more power when they're plunged into, say, a blast door.

[Hotfoot]

Why assume that the sabre constantly dumps heat to its environment? It may be a load-sensitive device. Much as modern motors draw more power when you put a load on them, sabres may pump out more power when they're plunged into, say, a blast door.

Well, I remember seeing in some sources that most lightsabers are supposed to have a fixed length and intensity. Some, like Luke's from ANH and TESB are supposed to be able to alter length and intensity through dials on the lightsaber. That could just be a "maximum intensity" setting though, which would allow for it to be a load sensitive device. Still, the mechanism it would use to pull off such a trick boggles.

It seems a bit like making a load-sensitive welding torch.

[BenRG]

Well, I remember seeing in some sources that most lightsabers are supposed to have a fixed length and intensity. Some, like Luke's from ANH and TESB are supposed to be able to alter length and intensity through dials on the lightsaber. That could just be a "maximum intensity" setting though, which would allow for it to be a load sensitive device. Still, the mechanism it would use to pull off such a trick boggles.

It seems a bit like making a load-sensitive welding torch.

I remember that Exar Kun's two-ended lightsaber was like this. It could be 'ramped down' so it was just a beam of light, the perfect 'feint' tool.

I assume that the blade isn't laser or energy but is some kind of plasma stream, continually replenished from the hilt. By altering the power output, you could vary the length and the intensity. Although how you could do one or the other on their own is quite beyond me.

[Hotfoot]

I remember that Exar Kun's two-ended lightsaber was like this. It could be 'ramped down' so it was just a beam of light, the perfect 'feint' tool.

I assume that the blade isn't laser or energy but is some kind of plasma stream, continually replenished from the hilt. By altering the power output, you could vary the length and the intensity. Although how you could do one or the other on their own is quite beyond me.

As I recall the explaination, it had to do with the fact that such specially crafted lightsabers used three crystals to control the formation of the "light blade". Changing the distance of the crystals from each other had various effects. I don't pretend to know the mechanics behind it any more than you, but that's what I remember. Lightsabers in and of themselves are a nightmare to try and figure out, so I usually just don't try. The power supply for them alone boggles the mind...

[Omega-13]

I still find it weird how the T-1000 isn't made of nanites but a "smart alloy". Even the Special Circumstances EDust assassin is made from nanites, granted it would still own a legion of Termies anyway.

if you snoop around on the net, try using google, you'll discover that the t-1000 actually isn't nanotech, its a smart material, where each molecule is individually programmed

[DPDarkPrimus]

I'm trying to remember... did the human resistance in the Terminator future have laser/beam weapons?

[BenRG]

I'm trying to remember... did the human resistance in the Terminator future have laser/beam weapons?

Yep, salvaged phase plasma weapons the same as those used by the Machines. You see them in use a lot during the 'future war' sequences in both films. High-penetration and clearly do very nasty things to the T-800 endoskeletons' armour.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

How tough is it to kill a T-1000? If you watch the director's cut of T2, you will notice that T-1000 has already been damaged before he gets hit with the grenade launcher, and before he falls into the molten metal. His transforms are becoming flaky, and when he gets hit with the grenade, he is heavily damaged (he's already making that death-rattle noise and his body is not re-forming properly, even before he falls into the pit).

So, given those facts, it would appear that a T-1000 is not unscathed when it is damaged and has to re-form itself (the novelization explains this further; it is worn down by damage even if you can't see it). From the movie, you can seriously damage a T-1000 with around a hundred bullets and a 40mm grenade.

I just thought I'd post this because of the T-2 fanboys out there who insist the T-1000 is nigh-unstoppable. One good hit from a SW blaster would probably damage one to the point of crippling his ability to fight, and a second hit would finish him off.

Well, keep in mind that the T-1000 in T2 was a prototype. Imagine what a standard working T-1000 could yeild in overall toughness. While I believe a T-1000 would still not be nigh-unstoppable, it would be hella nasty.

But Blasters, Disruptors(not the pussy ST ones), and Lightsabers would be more than enough to kill a T-1000.

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

A flashback suppressor on the end of the saber handle prevents energy or heat from flowing back towards the Jedi. (I, Jedi)

But Lightsaber blade do produce any thermal effects, in some EU they are actually cold. While they burn through objects, they do not generate heat. It's the whole enigma of a lightsaber.

[Sea Skimmer]

How tough is it to kill a T-1000? If you watch the director's cut of T2, you will notice that T-1000 has already been damaged before he gets hit with the grenade launcher, and before he falls into the molten metal. His transforms are becoming flaky, and when he gets hit with the grenade, he is heavily damaged (he's already making that death-rattle noise and his body is not re-forming properly, even before he falls into the pit).

So, given those facts, it would appear that a T-1000 is not unscathed when it is damaged and has to re-form itself (the novelization explains this further; it is worn down by damage even if you can't see it). From the movie, you can seriously damage a T-1000 with around a hundred bullets and a 40mm grenade.

I just thought I'd post this because of the T-2 fanboys out there who insist the T-1000 is nigh-unstoppable. One good hit from a SW blaster would probably damage one to the point of crippling his ability to fight, and a second hit would finish him off.

Well, keep in mind that the T-1000 in T2 was a prototype. Imagine what a standard working T-1000 could yeild in overall toughness. While I believe a T-1000 would still not be nigh-unstoppable, it would be hella nasty.

But Blasters, Disruptors(not the pussy ST ones), and Lightsabers would be more than enough to kill a T-1000.

There's little reason to expect a production model would be better.

[MKSheppard]

There's little reason to expect a production model would be better.

Actually little flaws would be fixed, it would become more efficient, etc
etc...but nothing major..