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How tough is it to kill a T-1000? If you watch the director's cut of T2, you will notice that T-1000 has already been damaged before he gets hit with the grenade launcher, and before he falls into the molten metal. His transforms are becoming flaky, and when he gets hit with the grenade, he is heavily damaged (he's already making that death-rattle noise and his body is not re-forming properly, even before he falls into the pit).

So, given those facts, it would appear that a T-1000 is not unscathed when it is damaged and has to re-form itself (the novelization explains this further; it is worn down by damage even if you can't see it). From the movie, you can seriously damage a T-1000 with around a hundred bullets and a 40mm grenade.

I just thought I'd post this because of the T-2 fanboys out there who insist the T-1000 is nigh-unstoppable. One good hit from a SW blaster would probably damage one to the point of crippling his ability to fight, and a second hit would finish him off.
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One blaster shot to the chest would be more than enough.

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I still don't see the huge advantage that the whole T-any series has against anything of remotely higher tech.

I mean if convential arms can cripple and detroy these things...when pitted gainst any cultrue of sufficent capability...they are going to fall...easily.
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Depends, how much of the liquid steel would the bolt melt? (yes, I know that sounds asinine, but in this case it's an honest question)
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Darth Wong wrote:I just thought I'd post this because of the T-2 fanboys out there who insist the T-1000 is nigh-unstoppable. One good hit from a SW blaster would probably damage one to the point of crippling his ability to fight, and a second hit would finish him off.
I wonder if he was suffering damage to his computer system? He wouldn't have had a CPU for obvious reasons, but he must have had a network of processors in his body. As many times as he was shot, he had to have been suffering damage to such a network--and the liquid nitrogen would have crippled him.
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How many times has 'T-1000 vs EDust' been done?
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Could we determine everything the T-1000 was hit with? If anyone recognizes the guns used, I can figure KE per bullet, since I have information on bullet mass and muzzle velocity for most common world firearms. Grenades I don't know as much about, though.
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The book went into some detail that his body was in essence his processor.

Now if he does harden against the attack which it's how the book describe his defensive mode...he'd probably get damaged even more said blast from a blaster.
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What you need to do is compare the thermal energy required to destroy the the T-1000 to the thermal energy imparted by blaster bolts. You really cant count on the KE killing the thing, which might be possible, before it kills you. Melting it seems the most reliable method of killing the thing, so if you heat up the metal until it "dies". An EMP pulse would probably also do the trick since it dosen't look like it has the shielding to resist it.
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I wonder what a lightsaber would do to it, in terms of longterm damage.
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The Dark wrote:Could we determine everything the T-1000 was hit with? If anyone recognizes the guns used, I can figure KE per bullet, since I have information on bullet mass and muzzle velocity for most common world firearms. Grenades I don't know as much about, though.
I'd have to watch the movie again, but I'd estimate he got with 12 gauge buckshot about 15-20 through the course of the movie, m16 rounds about 50 times, was inside an exploding big rig, was bisected by a steel rod, and of course was frozen by liquid nitrogen and blown apart. He also took some pistol rounds, but that's a drop in the bucket.
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Actually now that I think of it, the ST phasers might actually be the b est method for actually killing the thing since they are capable of vaporization, though it is unknown how effective the phaser would be at vaporizing the liquid metal T-1000. My guess is that it would probably impart enough thermal energy to rend the T-1000 inoperable though.

If your looking for a way to kill the thing in terms of modern technology I would recommend hitting it with high explosive charges every time it reforms, it seems to remain immoblie while reforming, until it is incapable of reforming, though if your human you won't get a second chance to kill it if you screw up.
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DPDarkPrimus wrote:I wonder what a lightsaber would do to it, in terms of longterm damage.
Considering what Qui-gon Jinn's lightsaber did to (at least steel) blast doors in TPM, lightsabers impart a tremendous amount of thermal energy along the blade. One wonders why the Jedi don't get burned just being near them.
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I hate going against the grain, but I think its necessary in this case.
The t-1000 was not damaged by KE impacts, its very clear int he movie, aswell as the scripts that you can find all ovet the internet, that prior to the freezing, it did not sustain any damage.

Mike hints that perhaps the 40mm grenade hurt it, I would have to agree here, not because it was blown apart, but because it would have vaporized a very small % of the memetic pollyalloy. After it was frozen in liquid nitrogen, it started to have a lot of problems, but still was able to recover quickly from the shotgun blast so its right eye. The reason he couldn't recover quickly and stop himself from falling into the liquid steel is because
a. his body was no longer balanced
b. he was 'shocked' like he is after he gets hit by a shotgun

so it lost its balance, it obviously has some sort of emergency balance system, because it retains its balancee when its hit by shotgun blasts, after each blast, the balancing process is numbed, until it finally falls over.

In the 40mm case, it couldn't compensate fast enough for its change in body shape, to stop it from falling.

Suggesting that 100 rounds would hurt it is rediculous, unless each round can vaporize some metal, but i don't think thats possible, i don't think a handgun or 9mm mp5 round can raise the temperature of metal that fast.
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Then being hit by a blaster would certainly fuck it up worse.
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Ghost Rider wrote:Then being hit by a blaster would certainly fuck it up worse.
absolutely, the t-1000 can't handle blasters
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I wonder if he was suffering damage to his computer system? He wouldn't have had a CPU for obvious reasons, but he must have had a network of processors in his body. As many times as he was shot, he had to have been suffering damage to such a network--and the liquid nitrogen would have crippled him.

Actually i believe he has no centralized processing medium, his processing is interlaced all over his structure, in todays world, we have actually created computing on the sub-atomic level hince Quantum Computing. His body may work on the same level as a theoretical quantum computer.

The T-1000 stores data probably using Q-bits, For all of you who don't know, Q-bits is the new form of binary language in quantum computing. The spin of the particle dictates the 1 and 0 , if you spin a particle left, it will represent one, if you spin the particle right, it will represent 0.

I do believe the explosive forces of ammunition may throw these q-bits off and create problems of processing. How he processes and samples data is down below.

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A few shots from a Star Wars blaster should do it.
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Omega-13 wrote:I hate going against the grain, but I think its necessary in this case.
The t-1000 was not damaged by KE impacts, its very clear int he movie, aswell as the scripts that you can find all ovet the internet, that prior to the freezing, it did not sustain any damage.

Mike hints that perhaps the 40mm grenade hurt it, I would have to agree here, not because it was blown apart, but because it would have vaporized a very small % of the memetic pollyalloy. After it was frozen in liquid nitrogen, it started to have a lot of problems, but still was able to recover quickly from the shotgun blast so its right eye. The reason he couldn't recover quickly and stop himself from falling into the liquid steel is because
a. his body was no longer balanced
b. he was 'shocked' like he is after he gets hit by a shotgun

so it lost its balance, it obviously has some sort of emergency balance system, because it retains its balancee when its hit by shotgun blasts, after each blast, the balancing process is numbed, until it finally falls over.

In the 40mm case, it couldn't compensate fast enough for its change in body shape, to stop it from falling.

Suggesting that 100 rounds would hurt it is rediculous, unless each round can vaporize some metal, but i don't think thats possible, i don't think a handgun or 9mm mp5 round can raise the temperature of metal that fast.
If any 40mm grenade, 9mm round, or what have you vaporized some of the T-1000, I could kill one with a hair dryer. These things do not impart that kind of thermal energy.
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It could be that the grenade exploded, hitting a large part of his body at once. The bullets travel in a straight line, so they affect a relatively small portion. The shotgun hits a wider area, so the T-1000 was more damaged. The Grenade hits a REALLY wide area, so it took major damage from that.

So, would a blaster bolt go through it, or would it "explode"? The former will mean a Blaster won't be that effective, the latter means it will.

As for a ST Phaser, phaser hits are shown to spread across the body, making a Phaser an excellent weapon in this choice (affects really large area).
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I say the blaster bolt would actually explode...no reason why not(it does in ANH multiple times)
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If I was guessing I would say that thermal effects and concussive force would damage it much more than kinetic force. So grenades, extreme temperatures, maybe certain chemicals like acids, would damage it a lot, while bullets *might* just wear it down a little bit if at all.
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The Terminator 2 novelisation says that the T-1000-series were molecular machines. Simply put, their largest single component was the single molecule of mimietic polyalloy in its' structure. This suggests that the T-1000 is, in fact, a colony of nanomachines, working together to a common purpose. I assume that each nano has its' own set of basic ROM instructions (find the whole and stick to it, imitate the colour of any object you are in contact with). More complex information (camoflage patterns and mission parameters) are probably stored in some form of molecular matrix, where the exact position of each nanobot in the matrix determines the nature of the data stored. Additionally, I suspect that the nanos somehow recall the pattern in which they were gathered the last time they were together, so the T-1000 can be blown apart and still recall its' last whole state.

This might suggest what happens to the T-1000 when it is frozen by the liquid nitrogen and shattered by a .45"-calibre bullet. Normally, kinetic impacts don't do any damage to the T-1000. The impact is absorbed by the colony, which then just returns to its' normal shape. The nanobots are just too small to be damaged by such a crude method. When it was frozen, the nanos were locked into their last configuration, making the creature brittle and breakable. It is possible some nanos were even destroyed by the percussive effect of the bullet shattering the colony to pieces. Certainly there were some colony-wide problems afterwards. The nanos were spontaneously starting to mimic any object they were in contact with for more than a few seconds, a basic instruction to each individula nanobot, rather than one of the objectives of the whole. This indicates that the colony had lost its' cohesion as a single hive mind.

The grenade created yet another mass-concussion that disrupted the whole. Given that the nanos were already glitching, the T-1000's ability to regenerate from such a large-scale event was impared. Additionally, it might have disrupted the larger-scale memory matrix, further damaging its' ability to return to a camoflage pattern.

Effects of other weapons:
Blaster - As far as I know, the blaster causes a point-burn, flash heating of the area around the impact and molecular disruption. This would damage a T-1000 in the same way that the freezing did. However, it would take several direct hits to cause sufficient damage to disable the T-1000.
Lightsaber - The lightsabre does cutting and burning damage. It would slice the T-1000 into bits, but the bits would probably reform unless the heat generated by the blade is so great that it 'cooks' the nanos, disabling them.
Phaser - Technobabble weapon that converts normal particles into neutrinos. I assume that the Phaser, like any disintegrating weapon, would be unimpared no matter what the material it was being used on. The important factor is the density of the material, not the material's other properties. I assume that mimietic polyalloy isn't much different in density to most normal metals.
Ion weapons - While not electronic in the traditional understanding of the term, the T-1000 would still be vulnerable to the ionising effect. It would probably disrupt the nanobots and maybe destroy the complex information memory, disabling it.

My recommended weapons are either one that causes damage at a molecular level (some form of corrosive chemical or maybe massive temperature change) or some form of ionising effect that disrupts the nanobots and prevents the colony from functioning properly.
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A thermal detonator should do the job...
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