If the empire sets out to conquer the SG universe how...

[Shroom Man 777]

This is silly, they don't even exist in the same universe.

Proof?

[NecronLord]

This is silly, they don't even exist in the same universe.

Proof?

Qui-Gon discovered ascension.

[SirNitram]

The episodes have been cited. 5th Race, Home, Rising, and Point Of View all lay it out clearly.

I have seen them but for what I understand. What he was trying to say was that the SW galaxy is closer than the Asgard Galaxy or even the Pegasus galaxy. I was wondering were he got that particular idea. I always thought it was an extremely distant galaxy in the far reaches of our universe at best.

IT's rather simple, you lying troll. Each of these episodes makes it clear that the 8th Chevron requires special adaptation; Point of View and 5th Race required O'Neil's special dialling sequence program and power source. Rising and Home explicitly state that Atlantis, with it's specialized Dialling Computer, is the only place that can reach Earth.

It is at least comparable to the hyperdrive from Prometheus Unbound.

By that time the Prometheus was equiped with Asgard hyperdrive just like the Daedalus. So by default that means that indeed SW hyperdrive is as fast as Asgard hyperdrive and so they should be able to make a trip from Coruscant to Earth within just a few minutes just like the Assgard does.

Lookit! A lying troll lying! So shocking!

Prometheus would take weeks to reach Atlantis; it took thirty minutes to divert their course 'fifty light years'(According to Chevron Guy) to reach Vala's distress call. This is a far cry from trangalactic in a few minutes, but you don't give a fuck about truth.

Daedelus takes multiple days to make the crossing, even with a ZPM. Without, I beleive it's two weeks.

Therefore? You're lying.

And to think the only thing that kept Palpy from conquering the whole universe was mere superstition and not speed limitation.

Why go further? Who says there's anything out there worth conquering?

That also means that the only advantage that SG hyperdrive has over SW hyperdrive is the fact that is not affected by the gravitational shadow of most celestial bodies except that of a black hole.

That and it can be boosted higher.. But Earth ones aren't there yet.

[Surlethe]

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Small point, PunkMaister: SirNitram pointed out above you can go a million ly in about 10 days. A billion ly is three orders of magnitude greater a million ly; thus, 100 days to travel a billion ly -- a third of a year. 10 billion ly will take about three years to travel: hardly a lifetime. The observable universe is 13.7 light years across; a reasonably well-equipped hyperdrive could cross the known universe in several years: not really the 'thousand or more years' you proposed, now is it?

Nitpick, but your numbers are off. If it takes 10 days to traverse a megalight, it would take ten-thousand (over 27 years) to traverse a gigalight. Multiply that by 13.7 and you have over 375 years to cross the known universe.

Gaah -- my bad. Thanks for the correction; yesterday was not my best day.

And that validates my point since most galaxies are either in the order of 4 to 8 billion LY away.
Let's say based on that that the SW galaxy is reasonably located about 3 billion LY away from our own. It would take then 81 years for them to reach our home galaxy! So again a return trip is a no go! Besides that would also mean most of your loved ones back home would have died off by then! Not a pleasant prospect....

Really? Where is your source most galaxies are 4 to 8 gigalights away?

[CoyoteNature]

This is silly, they don't even exist in the same universe.

Proof?

Different physical laws, different physical materials, Talking about Subspace as a method for the Stargates to travel through. Characters talking about the infinite size of the universe (SW is finite right?).

Time Travel, Ascension, the abscense of any Force.

Technically the "hyperdrive" mentioned in the SG universe isn't the same thing as the hyperdrive mentioned in SW universe.

Not to mention the time difference between the two. If one assumes the Republic has existed for thousands of years, and it is set pre Earth, then how come the Ancients or any other civilization in our galaxy never brushed up against them. Sure its a big universe, but with these slapbang FTL type drives they'd easily meet, if they were close by relatively speaking that is. And even if the Republic never left its own galaxy, the Ancients and other races surely did.

They'd have to be far enough away so that within their own FTL capabilities they were incapable of meeting, otherwise it wouldn't make sense inuniverse even if they are in the same universe. Unless there is some other factor preventing them from meeting.

If they are that close then the stories of one is polluted with the stories of another, and so forth. If one is assuming they are in universe then they are very very very far away, or they are not even in each other's universe.

Oh bugger the whole meeting thing doesn't make much sense, might as well go with the flow.

use the Quote Function.

[Eleas]

Proof?

Different physical laws, different physical materials, Talking about Subspace as a method for the Stargates to travel through. Characters talking about the infinite size of the universe (SW is finite right?).

Proof?

Time Travel, Ascension, the abscense of any Force.

I've yet to see evidence pointing toward time travel being impossible in SW. There's no evidence of abscence of the Force; indeed, the various tricks employed by among others the Nox could very well be another facet of the Force, as could Ascension.

Technically the "hyperdrive" mentioned in the SG universe isn't the same thing as the hyperdrive mentioned in SW universe.

Technically, that assertion is nonsensical. Speaking more plainly, it's also stupid.

Not to mention the time difference between the two. If one assumes the Republic has existed for thousands of years, and it is set pre Earth,

...then one assumes a whole shitload of things that shouldn't be assumed in the first place.

then how come the Ancients or any other civilization in our galaxy never brushed up against them. Sure its a big universe, but with these slapbang FTL type drives they'd easily meet, if they were close by relatively speaking that is. And even if the Republic never left its own galaxy, the Ancients and other races surely did.

So because intergalactic travel is possible, every galaxy will be visited and scouted out without fail?

They'd have to be far enough away so that within their own FTL capabilities they were incapable of meeting, otherwise it wouldn't make sense inuniverse even if they are in the same universe. Unless there is some other factor preventing them from meeting.

Sheer happenstance? Mapping error? Poor scouting? Perhaps the fabled "galactic barrier", that now no longer exists?

If they are that close then the stories of one is polluted with the stories of another, and so forth. If one is assuming they are in universe then they are very very very far away, or they are not even in each other's universe.

Again, that's an unfounded conclusion.

[Crown]

Proof?

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You know the whole exchange above could have been condensed thusly;

CoyoteNature; Because Teal'C's favourite movie is Star Wars!

Eleas; For the purpose of this thread we ignore that and assume that he hasn't.

[Eleas]

You know the whole exchange above could have been condensed thusly;

CoyoteNature; Because Teal'C's favourite movie is Star Wars!

Eleas; For the purpose of this thread we ignore that and assume that he hasn't.

Silly. Of course Teal'c actually favours B5 in this universe.

[CoyoteNature]

Don't know enough about either universe, so I concede the argument.

[Glimmervoid]

Technically the "hyperdrive" mentioned in the SG universe isn't the same thing as the hyperdrive mentioned in SW universe.

I think that is right. Starwars hyper drive is transition to a Tachyons state (as opposed to a baryonic one) last Stargate hyper drive appears to be of the alternate dimension kind (travelling trough planets etc). Well at least that’s what I though. Sorry if I am wrong.

[PunkMaister]

Liar. There's an Atlantis episode that refutes this.

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IT's rather simple, you lying troll. Each of these episodes makes it clear that the 8th Chevron requires special adaptation; Point of View and 5th Race required O'Neil's special dialling sequence program and power source. Rising and Home explicitly state that Atlantis, with it's specialized Dialling Computer, is the only place that can reach Earth.

Ok as I recall and correct me if I am wrong. the DHDs in the Pegasus galaxy look and were said in the show to be distinctly different from those in the Milky Way. Now that you mentioned that probably is one of the main reason they are different. Because they are designed only to dial interstellar as opposed to intergalactic addresses and it makes perfrct sense considering that the Ancients were trying to contain the Wraith as much as possible.

Why go further? Who says there's anything out there worth conquering?

Well for starters you kind of anwered that question:

And to think the only thing that kept Palpy from conquering the whole universe was mere superstition and not speed limitation.

That and it can be boosted higher.. But Earth ones aren't there yet.

Not to mention ZPMs, Asgard transporters and so on... That is linking the subject of Palpy not venturing outthere with the prospect presented by this thread.

Anyway does anyone have a clue as to how Humans came to be in the SW galaxy after all?
Anyone?

This is one of the reasons I love to link both universes of SW with SG.
SG had the ancients seeding the universe with human life like Johny appleseed!

[NecronLord]

Ok as I recall and correct me if I am wrong. the DHDs in the Pegasus galaxy look and were said in the show to be distinctly different from those in the Milky Way. Now that you mentioned that probably is one of the main reason they are different. Because they are designed only to dial interstellar as opposed to intergalactic addresses and it makes perfrct sense considering that the Ancients were trying to contain the Wraith as much as possible.

Can we say moronic and baseless assumptions?

[PunkMaister]

Can we say moronic and baseless assumptions?

Baseless?

Ok then why in the universe would a civilization as the ancients build a whole intergalactic artificial wormhole network A.K.A Stargates only to be used locally on all the galaxies they seeded life with?

That's like having an international phone network littered with telephones that can only make local calls!

It just makes no sense! As we know all stargates have not 7, not even 8 but 9 distinct chevrons.

Why build them like that if their purpose is just to dial interstellar addresses as opposed to intergalactic?

[SirNitram]

Liar. There's an Atlantis episode that refutes this.

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IT's rather simple, you lying troll. Each of these episodes makes it clear that the 8th Chevron requires special adaptation; Point of View and 5th Race required O'Neil's special dialling sequence program and power source. Rising and Home explicitly state that Atlantis, with it's specialized Dialling Computer, is the only place that can reach Earth.

Ok as I recall and correct me if I am wrong. the DHDs in the Pegasus galaxy look and were said in the show to be distinctly different from those in the Milky Way. Now that you mentioned that probably is one of the main reason they are different. Because they are designed only to dial interstellar as opposed to intergalactic addresses and it makes perfrct sense considering that the Ancients were trying to contain the Wraith as much as possible.

Liar. There is no evidence you can dial a 8 symbol address from a Milky Way DHD. If you wish to advance this theory, you need evidence. Provide evidence or concede. Trolling peice of dogshit.

Why go further? Who says there's anything out there worth conquering?

Well for starters you kind of anwered that question:

And to think the only thing that kept Palpy from conquering the whole universe was mere superstition and not speed limitation.

That and it can be boosted higher.. But Earth ones aren't there yet.

Not to mention ZPMs, Asgard transporters and so on... That is linking the subject of Palpy not venturing outthere with the prospect presented by this thread.

No it's not. There's no evidence advanced technology warded off his expansion beyond. There's some things to gain, but you have to know about it first. Dumbass troll.

Anyway does anyone have a clue as to how Humans came to be in the SW galaxy after all?
Anyone?

A race which built artifacts capable of artificially assembling 5 Earth type worlds into stable orbits within the biozone of one star, assembled an array of black holes called the Maw, and which can detonate stars from tens of thousands of lightyears away, is presumed to have brought humanity to the SW Galaxy.

This is one of the reasons I love to link both universes of SW with SG.
SG had the ancients seeding the universe with human life like Johny appleseed!

The Ancients pale in comparison to the Hyperspace Builders, for one using actual logic and reason.

Baseless?

Yes. It has no supporting evidence. Ergo, baseless bullshit concocted by a trolling dipshit retard.

Ok then why in the universe would a civilization as the ancients build a whole intergalactic artificial wormhole network A.K.A Stargates only to be used locally on all the galaxies they seeded life with?

Spoilers for S9: To prevent the Orii from finding them.

That's like having an international phone network littered with telephones that can only make local calls!

Bullshit analogy. A proper one would be airports.. Except airports really do have only a few major, long range hubs, serviced by many local ones. Which destroys your argument.

It just makes no sense! As we know all stargates have not 7, not even 8 but 9 distinct chevrons.

You can count. Very good. Now, if you could only use logic..

Why build them like that if their purpose is just to dial interstellar addresses as opposed to intergalactic?

S9 spoiler explains it.

[PunkMaister]

Liar. There is no evidence you can dial a 8 symbol address from a Milky Way DHD. If you wish to advance this theory, you need evidence. Provide evidence or concede. Trolling peice of dogshit.

I admit that the evidence I got is circumstancial since it's based on the fact that the DHDs on the Pegasus galaxy are distinctly different from those on the Milky Way.

Now what could be that made this difference so noticeable?

A diferent color? I don't think that could even count...

That it has different simbols? Being a different galaxy off course would mean having a separate dialing simbol system.
They might be slightly bigger than those of the Milky Way? That would not exactly ring alarm bells either...
So what could it be?
I'm not saying that this validates my theory as to why they are different but if somebody can come up with a better explanation please do...

The Ancients pale in comparison to the Hyperspace Builders, for one using actual logic and reason.

Please explain...

[SirNitram]

Liar. There is no evidence you can dial a 8 symbol address from a Milky Way DHD. If you wish to advance this theory, you need evidence. Provide evidence or concede. Trolling peice of dogshit.

I admit that the evidence I got is circumstancial since it's based on the fact that the DHDs on the Pegasus galaxy are distinctly different from those on the Milky Way.

Liar again. There's no evidence the DHD's in the Milky Way include 8 symbol programming. A different scheme does not indicate they lack that capability.

Now what could be that made this difference so noticeable?

A diferent color? I don't think that could even count...

That it has different simbols? Being a different galaxy off course would mean having a separate dialing simbol system.
They might be slightly bigger than those of the Milky Way? That would not exactly ring alarm bells either...
So what could it be?
I'm not saying that this validates my theory as to why they are different but if somebody can come up with a better explanation please do...

The symbols are different and the Gates don't spin mechanically. That is the difference. Any other must be supported with evidence, you nutlicking Troll.

The Ancients pale in comparison to the Hyperspace Builders, for one using actual logic and reason.

Please explain...

I explained, dipshit.

A race which built artifacts capable of artificially assembling 5 Earth type worlds into stable orbits within the biozone of one star, assembled an array of black holes called the Maw, and which can detonate stars from tens of thousands of lightyears away, is presumed to have brought humanity to the SW Galaxy.

[SirNitram]

PunkyBitch, running to SB.Com to whine about how someone's presented evidence against you(Once again: Point Of View, 5th Race, Home, Rising) and try and find more is not very honest. It's also pretty dumb when you're debating a member of SB.Com.

[PunkMaister]

PunkyBitch, running to SB.Com to whine about how someone's presented evidence against you(Once again: Point Of View, 5th Race, Home, Rising) and try and find more is not very honest. It's also pretty dumb when you're debating a member of SB.Com.

First off all I don't see the problem to try to find information from other boards whether SB.com or StarGate information archives where I also posted the question. Besides all that I was bringing was a theory about why DHDs are diffrent in Pegasus as just maybe being the reason you need the control cristal from Atlantisas opposed to needing just a ZPM if you were in the Milky way. Granted since the show mostly takes place at the the SGC facility and 5th race took place there when O'Neal concocted the power supply and modified the dialing program to dial 8 chevrons I can offer no absolute proof. But that does not imply it simply cannot be done, Not long ago before season 9 began people were saying in both SB.com and SG archives that building Supergates was imposible because the Ancients had never builted one and then "pum" the Ori build one that was sabotaged by Vala in Beachhead.

[SirNitram]

PunkyBitch, running to SB.Com to whine about how someone's presented evidence against you(Once again: Point Of View, 5th Race, Home, Rising) and try and find more is not very honest. It's also pretty dumb when you're debating a member of SB.Com.

First off all I don't see the problem to try to find information from other boards whether SB.com or StarGate information archives where I also posted the question. Besides all that I was bringing was a theory about why DHDs are diffrent in Pegasus as just maybe being the reason you need the control cristal from Atlantisas opposed to needing just a ZPM if you were in the Milky way. Granted since the show mostly takes place at the the SGC facility and 5th race took place there when O'Neal concocted the power supply and modified the dialing program to dial 8 chevrons I can offer no absolute proof. But that does not imply it simply cannot be done, Not long ago before season 9 began people were saying in both SB.com and SG archives that building Supergates was imposible because the Ancients had never builted one and then "pum" the Ori build one that was sabotaged by Vala in Beachhead.

Except we have explicit statements you need special equipment to dial 8 Symbols. See the episodes I keep reciting at you. Worthless cocksucking troll. Have you considered the fact you might just be full of shit? Your theory requires evidence. Show some or shut up.

[PunkMaister]

As I said before I really have no absolute evidence of any kind other than what I've presented such as the difference betweed DHDs in the MW and Pegasus etc. And I accept is not even near enough to make a solid appeal of any kind.

As for me being full of shit?

Only time will tell!

As I said that's more or less what they said about my idea of a get being large enough to fit ships through then season 9's beachhead comes along and proved me right after all...
So we'll see!

[SirNitram]

As I said before I really have no absolute evidence of any kind other than what I've presented such as the difference betweed DHDs in the MW and Pegasus etc. And I accept is not even near enough to make a solid appeal of any kind.

As for me being full of shit?

Only time will tell!

As I said that's more or less what they said about my idea of a get being large enough to fit ships through then season 9's beachhead comes along and proved me right after all...
So we'll see!

You're an utter, total retard. The show has firmly stated this to be the case, not some fanboys in a forum.

[PunkMaister]

The show has firmly stated this to be the case, not some fanboys in a forum.

As I recall before season 9 there was no proof it could be done at all.

BTW: By the way as I recall as well it's only at the SGC's gate that the gate's wheel spins mechanically when dialng out.
When one dials from a DHD off world the locks just turn on without the weel spining sort of like the DHD having a speed dial.

[SirNitram]

The show has firmly stated this to be the case, not some fanboys in a forum.

As I recall before season 9 there was no proof it could be done at all.

'We've never seen a never-before seen technology' vs 'A capabilty of a known technology has been specifically denied'. There is a difference, you dumb-ass peice of shit.

BTW: By the way as I recall as well it's only at the SGC's gate that the gate's wheel spins mechanically when dialng out.
When one dials from a DHD off world the locks just turn on without the weel spining sort of like the DHD having a speed dial.

The Pegasus Galaxy gates are physically incapable of spinning, preventing manual dialling.

[Dalton]

As I recall before season 9 there was no proof it could be done at all.

And you'd be wrong. S3 episode "Into the Fire" shows Teal'c and Hammond riding a specially designed fighter through the gate.

BTW: By the way as I recall as well it's only at the SGC's gate that the gate's wheel spins mechanically when dialng out.
When one dials from a DHD off world the locks just turn on without the weel spining sort of like the DHD having a speed dial.

I've been thinking about this and it does seem possible that every dial out of Earth's gate is essentially a manual dial.

Regarding DHDs dialing 8 symbols: not likely without specific technology. In Pegasus, the Atlantis gate is the ONLY gate capable of dialing Earth. In fact, in the episode "Home" McKay specifically states that he has to get Atlantis's control crystal so he can dial an 8 symbol address from an offworld DHD. Therefore, we can safely assume that Milky Way DHDs would need similar modifications. In addition, there is no evidence suggesting that Pegasus DHDs are significantly different, because McKay was able to modify the aforementioned DHD without having to relearn the system, suggesting that it was the same or a very similar mechanism to the Milky Way DHDs.

[PunkMaister]

And you'd be wrong. S3 episode "Into the Fire" shows Teal'c and Hammond riding a specially designed fighter through the gate.

I think we have a huge misunderstanding here!
I was not talking about objects that being small enough to fit through could pass or not. Yes until season 9 we knew that any object including a ship small enough to fit through the gate could do it. But we had no clue as to whether the gates themselves could be built larger in order to fit regular size ships say an ISD, Ha'Tak or anything along those lines.

Now the fanfic I posted here End Game I began writing just before season 8 began and from the onset I had the idea of the empire building an extremely large gat for ships to go through. That what I'm talki ng about and back then a lot of people thought it was impossible because it had never been observed. Now that was my point.

By the way I also always thought the ancients at one point probably dominated the problem of time ttavel instead of just being stuck in a time loop and ths was also proven in S8.