If the empire sets out to conquer the SG universe how...

[PunkMaister]

Let's say that in the Star Wars civilization galaxy an Stargate is found preferably in Yavin 4 because of it's pyramids and that is how they gain access to our home galaxy.

How then would the empire set out to conquer it?

My guess and please understand this is just a guess they would start by building some sort of supergate not unlike the one the Ori attempted to build although I'm not sure the empire can build such a structure in the same amount of time as the Ori did in Beachhead but I'm certain they are more than capable of building something along those lines.
They would need at least some portable defenses. I don't know how powerful portable turbolaser cannons are and if they would be enough to stave off an attack by a Goa'uld mothership but given SW record on weapons power I would be inclined to think so...
So could anyone add to this or correct any mistakes I might have on how this could go?

[Chris OFarrell]

Let's say that in the Star Wars civilization galaxy an Stargate is found preferably in Yavin 4 because of it's pyramids and that is how they gain access to our home galaxy.

How then would the empire set out to conquer it?

My guess and please understand this is just a guess they would start by building some sort of supergate not unlike the one the Ori attempted to build although I'm not sure the empire can build such a structure in the same amount of time as the Ori did in Beachhead but I'm certain they are more than capable of building something along those lines.

Why? AFAIK no source in Star Wars has ever even talked about wormholes,let alone something like a Stargate. Star Wars technological R&D is relativly stagnent, look how long it took them to get a line of much of the YV stuff, which is generaly not anything like a sophisticated as a Stargate is. Why would we assume they could duplicate, let alone build a supergate, in any logical time, if at all?

They would need at least some portable defenses. I don't know how powerful portable turbolaser cannons are and if they would be enough to stave off an attack by a Goa'uld mothership but given SW record on weapons power I would be inclined to think so...
So could anyone add to this or correct any mistakes I might have on how this could go?

Why would they really bother? Its too far for them to easily support a massive army through the Stargate and it would be very hard to move the equipment you need for heavy construction through it. Let alone fleets of ships or anything.

[Old Plympto]

There are things that loosely resemble stargates in the SW universe, Gree Hypergates. But they're unworkable archaeological artifacts IIRC. And not necessarily the same wormhole-based technology used by stargates.

[Mr Bean]

Even with normal size gates you can move enough in to start building in universe. If nothing else then a massive droid assault to a random address should secure them a home base then they can start building in universe.


Even if it takes a few months to get all the parts togther for a World Devestator through the gate then a month to resemble... Well Droids don't need sleep.

[PunkMaister]

Why? AFAIK no source in Star Wars has ever even talked about wormholes,let alone something like a Stargate. Star Wars technological R&D is relativly stagnent, look how long it took them to get a line of much of the YV stuff, which is generaly not anything like a sophisticated as a Stargate is. Why would we assume they could duplicate, let alone build a supergate, in any logical time, if at all?

Ok correct me if I'm wrong but is my understanding that it was the inept new republic that dealt with the Vong and not the empire and if R&D is virtually stagnant in SW how does one account for the R&D from the Geonosian weapon that led to both DS 1 & 2 not to mentiom World devastators and so on. The difference is that R &D in SW has been mostly invested in weapons development and of that most of it has been especifically for weapons of mass destruction.
If the empire whether Palpatine's or a resurgent one were to commit it's R&D assets to reverse engineering a Stargate they should be able to do it and in less time than it did the new republic which has constantly being hampered by inner conflicts within the senate and so on.

Why would they really bother? Its too far for them to easily support a massive army through the Stargate and it would be very hard to move the equipment you need for heavy construction through it. Let alone fleets of ships or anything.

Well the very promise of a whole new galaxy to tap it's resources would most likely draw privateers anyway.

[Xon]

The Empire's forces would have to be careful. The technology to build something like a stargate which works after millions of years and allows near instant travel to other galaxies while being basicly limited by how much power you can pump into them, means a hidiously technologically advanced culture. Since the stargate has to exist at both ends, that means the Ancients had to have the ability to get to both ends.

With that type of technological base, only an utter idiot wouldnt be careful incase you run into more of them and offend them. Sure once they realize that most of the galaxy has only has ruins of the Ancients, they might be more aggressive.

[PunkMaister]

The Empire's forces would have to be careful. The technology to build something like a stargate which works after millions of years and allows near instant travel to other galaxies while being basicly limited by how much power you can pump into them, means a hidiously technologically advanced culture. Since the stargate has to exist at both ends, that means the Ancients had to have the ability to get to both ends.

With that type of technological base, only an utter idiot wouldnt be careful incase you run into more of them and offend them. Sure once they realize that most of the galaxy has only has ruins of the Ancients, they might be more aggressive.

Well yes, that goes without saying! I mean anytime anybody enters any unknown territory one does a little reconosaisance first to know what are the potential threats and based on that make your move or not. And as you said once they realize that the galaxy is for the most part litered with ruins full of ancients technology and mostly primitive populations slaved by the Goa'uld indeed they would take a more agresive stance.

I mean let's face it a primitive population on a former Goa'uld controlled world sees the Gate open and White clad stormtroopers come in they would probably think that their god has returned with neew terrible servants or something along those lines so they would be fairly easy to control.
Good God am I playing devil's advocate or what?

[18-Till-I-Die]

What exactly is the firepower of the Asguard or Snakes?

I know they have those time devices, go-away weaponry, and Ludicrous Speed, but what can they pump out in terms of firepower?

I ask because i'm curious, as far as i know no one has ever said exactly. I'd assume, if their weapons are remotely equal to the rest of their tech, gigatons. But i dont know hwo they compare to the GE. Hence the question.

[Xon]

The GE would mostlikely assume the power output required to activate the gate would be a reasonable measure of the Ancient's power generation capabilities and thus thier firepower.

However, in stargate the link between power generation and firepower really is out of wack. But the GE wouldnt know this untill they encounter several races in Stargate.

[PunkMaister]

I know they have those time devices, go-away weaponry, and Ludicrous Speed, but what can they pump out in terms of firepower?

Boy does that bring SpaceBalls memories!
As for firepower is concerned ggs post says it pretty acurately.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I mean let's face it a primitive population on a former Goa'uld controlled world sees the Gate open and White clad stormtroopers come in they would probably think that their god has returned with neew terrible servants or something along those lines so they would be fairly easy to control.
Good God am I playing devil's advocate or what?

Shit, the Stormtrooper rifles could probably overpower Kull Warrior shielding on higher settings, right?

[PunkMaister]

Shit, the Stormtrooper rifles could probably overpower Kull Warrior shielding on higher settings, right?

I am not sure how many shots that would take though, however I think an E-web would do them in for sure...

[jareth1138]

Punkmaister your stupidity ceases to amaze me. You seem to have forgotten your other post. The ones that they discussed this. You should be ashamed of your self. YOU MADE those posts and the information is there. Your completely disregarding your other statements and infomation.
An invasion from a single stargate could easily be repel by many of the powers. At least until the Empire finds where the galaxy is and sends ships. The stargate would be a choke point open to orbital bombardment because the stargate doesn't open wide enough to actually ship anything bigger then a land speeder through. Also how the heck do the Imperials find out how the stargate works and get a working location? Trial and error? That would take years and without additional information that IT is a stargate they would probably discard it as an ancient useless artifact.

[Shroom Man 777]

Ok correct me if I'm wrong but is my understanding that it was the inept new republic that dealt with the Vong and not the empire and if R&D is virtually stagnant in SW how does one account for the R&D from the Geonosian weapon that led to both DS 1 & 2

The technology was already there. You can see smaller versions of the DS tech used on those sphere-shaped LAAT defense guns. The Geneosians merely supersized it.

not to mentiom World devastators and so on.

Some duct tape, glue, and a supersized order of construction droids?

Face it, with a few exceptions, SW tech has remained unchanged for millenia.

The difference is that R &D in SW has been mostly invested in weapons development and of that most of it has been especifically for weapons of mass destruction.
If the empire whether Palpatine's or a resurgent one were to commit it's R&D assets to reverse engineering a Stargate they should be able to do it and in less time than it did the new republic which has constantly being hampered by inner conflicts within the senate and so on.

Just because you said so?

[PunkMaister]

Punkmaister your stupidity ceases to amaze me. You seem to have forgotten your other post. The ones that they discussed this. You should be ashamed of your self. YOU MADE those posts and the information is there. Your completely disregarding your other statements and infomation.
An invasion from a single stargate could easily be repel by many of the powers. At least until the Empire finds where the galaxy is and sends ships. The stargate would be a choke point open to orbital bombardment because the stargate doesn't open wide enough to actually ship anything bigger then a land speeder through. Also how the heck do the Imperials find out how the stargate works and get a working location? Trial and error? That would take years and without additional information that IT is a stargate they would probably discard it as an ancient useless artifact.

What posts are you talking about?
Are you even talking about this thread?

First off all to repel an invasion the powers you mentioned would need to know that something is going on and by then some sort of beachead protected by shields and portable turbolasers would already be in place. And as Mr Bean pointed out droids could be sent through. Now doesn't the SW civilization has droids that can launch themselves into space and perhaps even small defense satellite grids?

The point is it was never said that it was impossible to acomplish. I sure did not!

And regarding the empire sending ships from one galaxy to another unless they found out how to make their hyperdrive as fast as those of the Asgard now that would be impossible. The only way I can think off is them building some sort of supergate or build the ships or whatever from scratch using prefabricated modules that could be sent through the gate.

The technology was already there. You can see smaller versions of the DS tech used on those sphere-shaped LAAT defense guns. The Geneosians merely supersized it.

You know somehow I don't hink building anything be it a building, weapon is just matter of supersizing it like a Bigmac!

Take for example Gerard Bull's Iraqui supercannon. Now had it been a matter of supersizing as you suggest then he would have just supersized a Howitzer!
But that just not the way things work when you build in really huge scales there's a lot of factors you need to consider such as stress levels, metal fatigue and so on. in the case of an energy weapon I would suspect that they would need to design a power source large enough and powerfull enough etc as well.
Heck I'm not an engineer nor an arquitect but I do have a few friends that are and honeslt it can't be just that simple...
Just my 2 cents...

[SirNitram]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

[Noble Ire]

You know somehow I don't hink building anything be it a building, weapon is just matter of supersizing it like a Bigmac!

The point is that the superlaser technology, centerpiece of the station, already existed, and only needed to be modified so it could employ a great deal more raw energy than normal. The technology and engineering skill already existed for the rest of the facility as well, look at Coruscant or Taris. Palpatine just had the Geonosians and later his Imperial engineers apply existing tech. in a new form.

[Xon]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

To be honest you need to know were you are going to get there by ship. Unless you have the base-line coordinate system those symbols you punch into the stargate are just basicly a phone number with no geographical relation.

Finding the direction of the wormhole and the speed of objects is also going to require an understanding of how the gate operates.

[PunkMaister]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

Are you aware of the distances, especially between galaxies in universe that's contantly expanding?

My point is that without faster FTL it would take just too long to get from point A to point B and we are not talking a few years we could be talking about a shitload of decades and centuries even!

[PunkMaister]

To be honest you need to know were you are going to get there by ship. Unless you have the base-line coordinate system those symbols you punch into the stargate are just basicly a phone number with no geographical relation.

Well as I recall whenever they dialed a gate address in the SGC and send a probe the course it takes through the cosmos is plotted.
So the only thing they would need to know our galaxy's location is send a probe through and track it. However breaching the enormous distance between galaxies using SW hyperdrive is another.

As I said it could take from a lot of decades to even centuries. Either way that would make it a one way trip and to reap any benefits you have to be able to return home and in this case you can't. Not using standard SW hyperdrive anyway...

[SirNitram]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

Are you aware of the distances, especially between galaxies in universe that's contantly expanding?

I'm quite aware of the distances involved. You, apparently, aren't.

Andromeda, for example, is 2.9 Million LY from here. If you can cross 100,000 LY in less than a day(Required for the Prequel movies), then you can cross 2.9 million LY in, oh, 29 days. For a ship noted to be stocked with years of supplies, this is not difficult.

Furthermore, this requires us to beleive that zooming through crowded Galactic space is just as fast as passing through utterly empty intergalactic space. Since you must avoid mass shadows of systems, there is every reason to assume trans-galactic speeds are faster.

My point is that without faster FTL it would take just too long to get from point A to point B and we are not talking a few years we could be talking about a shitload of decades and centuries even!

Bullshit. See above math. You're now just screeching and making up numbers.

[SirNitram]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

To be honest you need to know were you are going to get there by ship. Unless you have the base-line coordinate system those symbols you punch into the stargate are just basicly a phone number with no geographical relation.

Finding the direction of the wormhole and the speed of objects is also going to require an understanding of how the gate operates.

This is true. It would take quite a few tries to get some means of locating the Milky Way. However, once you have that, the speed of hyperdrive allows for it.

[Plushie]

Punkmeister, you're simply a dumbass. There's nothing impossible about ships outfitted for years of supplies and capable of crossing a 160,000 LY galaxy in a day or so getting to another galaxy. Are you aware of the distances, or have you just decided to declare it impossible because you realize it would sodomize the SG-verse's chances?

To be honest you need to know were you are going to get there by ship. Unless you have the base-line coordinate system those symbols you punch into the stargate are just basicly a phone number with no geographical relation.

Finding the direction of the wormhole and the speed of objects is also going to require an understanding of how the gate operates.

This is true. It would take quite a few tries to get some means of locating the Milky Way. However, once you have that, the speed of hyperdrive allows for it.

Provided, of course, that it is closer galaxy. One on the other side of the universe isn't exactly accessible.

[SirNitram]

To be honest you need to know were you are going to get there by ship. Unless you have the base-line coordinate system those symbols you punch into the stargate are just basicly a phone number with no geographical relation.

Finding the direction of the wormhole and the speed of objects is also going to require an understanding of how the gate operates.

This is true. It would take quite a few tries to get some means of locating the Milky Way. However, once you have that, the speed of hyperdrive allows for it.

Provided, of course, that it is closer galaxy. One on the other side of the universe isn't exactly accessible.

If it's on the other side of the universe, the power requirements skyrocket; you do remember they need a ZPM to dial Pegasus, which is relatively close?

[jareth1138]

Alright, no more mister nice guy. PunkMaister, you are a ignorant, sub-human, dimwitted person who is showing the reason why some people are taken seriously and some not.
In common language this means- PUNKMAISTER YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
YOU FUCKING MADE THE POLLS THAT HAVE A KULL WARRIOR AGAINST A STORM TROOPER! CHECK YOUR OWN FUCKING THREADS! YOU RETARD SON OF A BITCH!
HOW THE FUCK DO THE IMPERIALS GET A FUCKING SHIELD GENERATOR THROUGH A STARGATE? Piece by piece, sure then they have to build it and the power generator for the shield generator. PORTABLE TURBOLASER batteries!! HOW are they going to power those and the shield generators without a built power mainframe. A stargate is not that big and it would take time. Anyway this also includes that ability by the EMPIRE to get an artifact working that they have no written information on and that fact that they have no idea what it does! EVEN if they do somehow get it to work then how would they every know the necessary coordinates for a planet. The repulsion of an invasion requires that the Imperials see the need to build a beach head. If they arrived in the galaxy and on an small and use world would they build so much fire power that would have to be allocated and requires time. The Imperials would see no threat worth building a serious fortification. If it was inhabited parsay tell me what Imperial Scout group carries portable turbolasers and shield generators? If the planet was already gould then a fight would break out and the system lord in control would send a fleet to bombard the Imperials. This would happen before they had time to build a base because they would need to head back and call for help and then they need to build the defenses unless they carry insta-building.
Think before you respond.
BAKA!