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OK how far does this invasion get?

Hotjumps to Terra, establishes New Roma, presses outward slowly
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Conquest of the Perriphery, eventually dies due to lack of support
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*l* mechs>tankz *l*
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We came, we saw, we conqured
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Unstoppable until supplies/replacements run out, then tough time converting techbase
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Typhonis 1 wrote:If the Legions are smart they will conquer a Periphery stae, no innner spehere or clan power would notice, and start to set up n industrial base.

Hell Grav tech gives them a nasty advantage in itself if they are forced to use local weapons.

Then once the infrastructure is up they can start to expand.
Depends on how much tech they could replicate. Take a modern US Navy task force (To account for the presence of the strike legion, toss an MAU into this scenario while you're at it) and dump them in the Amazon, which is essentially the equivalent of what landing the in the Periphery would be. They would have a large initial tech advantage, and they would know what was technologically possible, but their ability to recreate it would be drastically limited.

For a good exploration of just that sort of scenario, check out Pournelle's Warworld series, where first one and then another naval vessel lands on a bass-ackwards regressive world... their tech advantage gives them a large advantage, but eventually they're down from future sci-fi weapons to old-style assault rifles (on one side) and black powder weapons on the other.
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I just realized a real nasty tactic...

raid a clan and inner sphere world, rape some of the populace and then leave...

now watch as the refugee's proceed to kill off 2/3s of the Battletech population as no one has resistance to snow plauge in battletech....
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:I just realized a real nasty tactic...

raid a clan and inner sphere world, rape some of the populace and then leave...

now watch as the refugee's proceed to kill off 2/3s of the Battletech population as no one has resistance to snow plauge in battletech....
Now that's just frickin' nasty. Worst part is that it might not even cross their minds, given that the Snow Plague is a good distance back in their history. So even if they just 'innocently' come to conquer, they're likely going to introduce the disease to the populace. And it was never stated anywhere that the Snow Plague was ever cured, just that it passed like the Black Death, essentially.

Whoops. Bye bye Battletech, via likely unintentional biological warfare.
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Petrosjko wrote:They had a large Star Trek RPG collection that they just abandoned
That wasn't wholey FASA's fault, as the information I have is that Paramount pulled their licence to Star Trek.

Pitty, cause they had some realy nice looking romulan ship designs....
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yup they lost their Startrek licence to deciepher...
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exactly it killed 2/3 of the population, had long enough of an incubation period that it spread like wild fire over a FTL equipped galaxy, and it died out because the 1/3 that servived were the ones with natural immunity. and thus all their descendants had the resistance.

since it spread so fast it had to be airborne or waterborne, thus you could get it through secondhand contact as well as more intamate contact...
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LordChaos wrote:
Petrosjko wrote:They had a large Star Trek RPG collection that they just abandoned
That wasn't wholey FASA's fault, as the information I have is that Paramount pulled their licence to Star Trek.

Pitty, cause they had some realy nice looking romulan ship designs....
Ah, didn't know Paramount yanked the license. That sucks, given that the product FASA put out was wholly superior to Starfleet Battles, and much closer to the design of TOS.

Not only that, but they actually put the most realistic spin on Star Trek that we've seen. Starfleet had a functional intelligence branch, ground forces, and was nowhere near as human-centric as TNG turned it into.

In their map, Earth was not located at the center of the Federation, for example. The centerpoint of the Federation was derived from a point between Terra, Vulcan, and Andor.

I also loved the Triangle, the neutral area between the Fed, the Klingons, and the Romulans. Nifty nifty.

The Starship Tactical Combat Simulator was a damn good game, too, with the setup for power distribution throughout the ship making it a real chess game of what shields and weapons to power.
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Petrosjko wrote:
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Petrosjko wrote:They had a large Star Trek RPG collection that they just abandoned
That wasn't wholey FASA's fault, as the information I have is that Paramount pulled their licence to Star Trek.

Pitty, cause they had some realy nice looking romulan ship designs....
The Starship Tactical Combat Simulator was a damn good game, too, with the setup for power distribution throughout the ship making it a real chess game of what shields and weapons to power.
I still have it (I belive I have a full game except for the cardboard counters).

I should also still have 2 of the 3 recognition guides (klingon and romulan, and can't remember if I still have them). I know I have the silloette charts somewhere from those two though.
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quick someone code a random number generator, and a digital template map....

we'll start the FASA Abandoned Gamming room...
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:quick someone code a random number generator, and a digital template map....

we'll start the FASA Abandoned Gamming room...
Dice rollers aren't hard to find... if we could come up with a good digital template map, I'd be all over that stuff. Especially if we could get copies of the Renegade Legion maps.

Or, dare I dream, somebody could code in the Succession Wars game that I happen to know the location of a PDF of...

We need to kidnap a code monkey. Anybody got a good target?
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This would be as bad as Wars vs Trek...a portal opening between the RL universe and Battletech
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only when someone figures out that a RL 200mm gauss does about 100 points of BTech damage....
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:only when someone figures out that a RL 200mm gauss does about 100 points of BTech damage....
We don't have hard numbers to work with, but I'd wager that AC/2s and AC/5s could be deflected by flicker shields, too.

LRMs and SRMS definitely would be. Plus any energy weapons below PPCs.

Difference being that I don't think we'd have anybody arguing the Battletech side of things the way Trekkies do.
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an LRM 20, would be ~ close to the Multi-missile from TOG, it might get lucky to have a few hits get through by quanity. Also the TLVG would due 8 points of damage to the outer armour and then inflict 16 points of damage to internal structure, with 3 critical hits....
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Space Combat will be fun especially a TOG Shiva slugging it out with a Clam MkKenna.
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A flicker shield won't deflect anything weighing more than 100g so AC/5s will definitely penetrate. Not that it will do them much good.

Shiva versus Mckenzie? Don't be so merciful. A Shiva could wipe the floor with an entire Naval Star.
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Petrosjko wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:quick someone code a random number generator, and a digital template map....

we'll start the FASA Abandoned Gamming room...
Dice rollers aren't hard to find... if we could come up with a good digital template map, I'd be all over that stuff. Especially if we could get copies of the Renegade Legion maps.
I have some of the Renegade Legion maps....
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LordChaos wrote:
Petrosjko wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:quick someone code a random number generator, and a digital template map....

we'll start the FASA Abandoned Gamming room...
Dice rollers aren't hard to find... if we could come up with a good digital template map, I'd be all over that stuff. Especially if we could get copies of the Renegade Legion maps.
I have some of the Renegade Legion maps....
Okay! So now we just need a coder. I'll bring the baseball bat, somebody else bring the carpet... I've got a basement we could chain 'em in...
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Didn't the BattleSpace rules set essentially consist of a straight port of Leviathan? Too bad it probably doesn't take into account the signficant differences in performance between the two civilizations' militaries (IIRC, the Renegade Legion universe is set some 3000 years after where BattleTech is set, so even if they existed in the same timeline RL would likely be vastly ahead of the game, and the events in the BT timeline just compound the problem).

Of course, its not really fair from the get-go, since the technological limitations of BT basically throw the contest.
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The RL universe also has a steady tech upcurve from the time of the Snow Plague, whereas in Battletech technology was regressing until the GDL dumped the Helm memory core on everyone.

Between that and Hanse Davion's founding of NAIS, you ended up with the first actual technological progress since the fall of the Star League, a curve that was only accelerated by the arrival of the Clans.

I dunno about Battlespace... never got that one. However, I do know that Battleforce 2 pretty much ported Prefect, which for my money was the weakest offering of the RL line.

(Really sucked because I LOVED the original Battleforce, one of the few games that had a workable mechanism for double-blind play built into the system.)
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You can also use the battletech maps for RL.
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Petrosjko wrote:
LordChaos wrote:
Petrosjko wrote: Dice rollers aren't hard to find... if we could come up with a good digital template map, I'd be all over that stuff. Especially if we could get copies of the Renegade Legion maps.
I have some of the Renegade Legion maps....
Okay! So now we just need a coder. I'll bring the baseball bat, somebody else bring the carpet... I've got a basement we could chain 'em in...
Swing by Sourceforge and see if any of the crew working on MegaMek want to take on an additional task...
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