Moonstone Spider wrote:As pointed out before, these bolts were fired from a vast distance away, the Jedi still had a lot of time to position themselves. Show a jedi blocking 3 blaster bolts in 3 milliseconds, and that these blaster bolts are moving at bullet speed since they often don't, and you'll have something.
You're still not getting it; they react instinctively, BEFORE it happens. It's not a matter of reacting in 3 milliseconds; they react BEFORE the trigger is pulled. Enough sheer firepower can bring down a Jedi, especially if his use of the Force is clouded. But
one combatant upon which the Jedi can focus his thoughts? Smith would be ripped to shreds.
In the time that Smith stared stupidly at Neo waiting for him to fire that minigun, Windu could have knocked him clear out the other side of that chopper with a Force push.
Well you and all your cronies appeared to run away (although as I said some probably simply didn't read the thread, I like to give others the benefit of the doubt) and did nothing to rebut my proof, which is as close to total victory as you can get around here, particularly over Star Wars.
Oh, for fuck's sake. If you're going to start in with this fucking idiotic "last man standing is the winner" argument, then we might as well stop right now, because anyone who thinks an argument is won by simply outlasting your opponent is a fucking moron. The winner of an argument is determined by who makes the most logical points with accurate data, not by who loses interest last.
Absolutely. Digitize it and prove we never see them moving at all, it's all a time cut.
All right, I'll call your little bluff, asshole. The one thing I hate worse than someone who plays games in a debate is someone who outright
lies about the facts, and by claiming that you've inspected this scene and seen no Force-speed, you're lying. I digitized the sequence, did an inverse-telecine with VirtualDub to convert back to the original theatrical frame rate, and dumped to image sequence. Read 'em and weep, bullshitter:
Time: 0 seconds. This is before they start.
Time: 0.04 seconds. They initiate Force-speed. Notice how they've become
transclucent. You can actually see the door right through Qui-Gon.
Time: 0.08 seconds. It's hard to see because they're translucent in Force-speed, but judging by Obi-Wan's saber, he's covered roughly 1 metre. To accelerate from standing start to cover 1 metre in 0.04 seconds requires acceleration of 1250 m/s^2, or
more than one hundred fucking G's at a minimum. Even if the location of his sabre is misleading and he only covered 1/2 metre in that time, he would
still need to accelerate at more than 60 G's.
Time: 0.12 seconds. Obi-Wan has covered another metre, which indicates that he's topped out at around 20-30 m/s (45-68 mph). That's fucking
automobile highway speed, pal. And we're not just talking about moving his arm or bending his hips; we're talking about accelerating his entire body.
Time: 0.21 seconds. Notice how Qui-Gon is quite obviously transclucent in this scene; he is only visible as a shadow. Obi-Wan is almost completely invisible; if it weren't for his sabre, you wouldn't even know he's there. Now we know the ANH novelization wasn't exaggerating when it said he could become wraith-like.
Sorry, but you can only lie for so long before someone comes along and calls your bluff. Not only can Jedi Knights move at fucking highway speed and accelerate at 100 G's or more, but they can become wraith-like and partially transparent. Deal with it.
Then while you're at it digitize the two dozen or so scenes in which Force-Speed would have been really handy but wasn't used so you can prove my point.
What point? The point where you try to pretend that in AOTC,
after the Jedi have lost much of their control over the Force, they're not as formidable? That is obvious, and your refusal to admit that is nothing more than deception on your part.
More bullshit.
From you of all people I expect real debate. Do you honestly think that (Just like last time) you can simply call the argument bullshit and provide absolutely nothing in the way of a rebuttal and that I will simply swallow ad-hominems and back off?
It is not an ad-hominem attack to say that your totally false claims about TPM are "bullshit". Do you even realize what "ad-hominem" means? Or do you, like so many other ignorant morons, think it's a convenient way to dismiss any argument which is rude?
Provide evidence or shut up.
Fuck you, asshole. You have lied outright about the evidence; it is quite obvious that you didn't even bother looking at the scene before claiming to have examined it carefully. Your Darkstyle-style misrepresentation of evidence will avail you nothing, as anyone with a copy of the movie can see that you're lying.
Well if you actually had proof I'd be the first person to congradulate you and admit I'm wrong.
If you were an honest debater, you wouldn't pretend to have studied the scene and found no evidence of Force-speed when it's quite obvious you haven't even looked at it. If you were an honest debater, I wouldn't have to go through the bother of digitizing it and then throwing the proof in your face, as I just did. So put up or shut up: admit you were lying, and admit you were wrong.
However your entire argument appears to consist of repeating the word "Shit" in various forms but not actually doing anything like, oh, providing calcs or evidence I frankly think you cannot safely say I'm full of shit. You, on the other hand, haven't provided anything else.
Nice Darkstar-style grandstanding. Too bad you're
still nothing but a pompous bullshitter. Time to admit you lied about watching the scene and finding no evidence of Force speed.
