Looney wants RFID implants required.

[The Kernel]

Really? You quite easily forget what you and others have said, don't you?

You didn't specify which numbers you wanted originally. I assumed you were looking for a source for the $140 billion figure, I already stated in an earlier post about the article with the $200 billion estimate for the network, I just didn't quote the article because it requires a subscription.

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Educate me on where the health care is issued by the government and all profits of the health care system (if any) belong to the government. Oh sorry, that's not in the US. Private corporations will be the big benefactors here. Whether they keep the profits or pass on the savings matters little. The government only recieves a portion of the savings, either from individuals or corporations. We call this system... /drumroll Income Taxes! In other words, it will take the government longer to recapture its investment. A very generous estimation is 5 years. After this, it would a profit of $32.2 billion a year. That's not bad, really.

Idiot, the government is not a fucking business, their take on this is not the issue, the issue is the savings that is passed onto the consumers, and also the businesses that provide them with health care.

Now that you have finally given me a source for the numbers, I will quit arguing with them. Was that so hard? Of course it was. For a simple twisted troll like you a simple task such as... actually bringing a source is only obtained through pressure to do so.

Troll, all I've done is provide sources when asked. You on the other hand seem to be quite fond of making completely unsupported assertions.

We all know that half the people on this board would fry out the chip on purpose if they were forced to have one put in.

Putting the rhetoric of board denizens aside, this is irrelevent. The database cost/benefit anaylsis is seperate from the RFID's.

I conceed the money argument. Again, once you actually have a source for your figures, it helps tremendously. Stop misquoting stuff and calling people morons for not reading something that isn't there. It makes you look like a moron.

Pot, kettle, black. You've done nothing but strawman my position and attempt to poke holes in my argument with unsupported assertions since you joined this argument. Grow the fuck up.

[The Kernel]

Damn that math was bad. The government isn't spending $140 billion a year; the medical profession is. It's too late at night.

Ok, Medical profession is shelling out $140 Billion a year. The profession now saves $140 billion. The best estimate now is that they pay the government an extra $49 billion a year (maximum!) in taxes.

I assume the government is paying the $48 billion in annual operating costs, correct? This leaves the government with a maximum net profit of $1 billion a year. It will only take 156 years to recapture that expense. I was told that a dollar turns over 7 times in a year in a taxable fashion, average, some years ago. If that is true, that means that the $49 billion is like a taxable $343 billion (again, upper maximum. Many people pay a far lesser percentage in income tax). I could have applied the 7x to the $140 billion, but this gives the same result. Again, maximum income coming is now $343 billion. This gives the government a net profit of:

$343 billion - $48 billion = $295 billion. Therefore, they recapture their investment in just over 6 months. You know, that doesn't look right either. I am probably going to smack myself tomorrow when I'm reading this math. In any case, from a financial standpoint, you are correct. It does make profitable sense.

I'm not going to bother correcting the numerous ommissions in your calculations, because they are all irrelevent. Even if the government loses money on this system, it is still worth it. The purpose of the government is to spend money is order to provide essential services for the population. Reducing the costs of medical care is certainly within their purvue, especially given that the costs are getting so high that people are being given substandard policies by their employers in order to save money.

If the government can lessen the strain on businesses to provide sound medical care (heaven forbid the government provide that care themselves) then it is worth taking a hit, even though this looks like they won't have to and it will be a net money gain across the board.

[DrkHelmet]

If the government can lessen the strain on businesses to provide sound medical care (heaven forbid the government provide that care themselves) then it is worth taking a hit, even though this looks like they won't have to and it will be a net money gain across the board.

Yeah, it looks like a monetary gain, I agree. I just can't figure out how much when I'm this short on sleep.

In any case, the money debate is over, and as I said, I don't do ethical/moral ones.

Goodnight.