When watching AOTC, did anyone feel...

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-11-22 10:32pm

The jumping was to counter the absurd reach advantage that Dooku had, which would have carved Yoda up if he didn't fully utilise his mobility.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-22 10:52pm

Some yes...but then again his height is both advantage and disadvantage.

Ever truly fight someone truly shorter than you...not just a foot but truly shorter...it can suck in a hard way, given how you have to repostion yourself.

Seriously the jumping was to show they could do quickie CGI

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-22 10:56pm

Just on though of the rginial thread topic the Jedi saying "Haaa!" would show trhuth too Yod'as warning of arrogant Jedi.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-22 11:01pm

Bit overdone though. Like ... haaaaah?

Blech.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-11-22 11:02pm

If you have something like 3 feet of reach advantage, then the height problem is a lot less of an issue.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-22 11:57pm

Given that Yoda is what...foot and a half.

Blocking that type is off balance, seriously.

I mean midgets is one thing...he's pretty much half that, and the jumping is pointless given how quickly from visualization he was able to move.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 12:30am

Yoda appears to be about two foot six. Incidentally, you guys miss Yoda and Obi-Wans obvious arrogance later in the scene. Obi-Wan demanded earlier that Anakin "do his duty," and Obi-Wan told him that if they could stop Dooku, they could "end this war right now." Later, Yoda is faced with a choice--he can go after Dooku, or save Anakin and Obi-Wan. He chooses to temporarily disregard the fate of the Galaxy and the Republic to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. One can argue that he was destined to do so--he was--but if we subscribe to such an idea, we must also believe that Yoda was ALWAYS destined to decide to save Anakin, instead of saving the Republic. He made a clearly anti-dmeocratic decision, which ends up destroying millions--possibly billions--of lives.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-23 12:33am

Master of Ossus wrote:Yoda appears to be about two foot six. Incidentally, you guys miss Yoda and Obi-Wans obvious arrogance later in the scene. Obi-Wan demanded earlier that Anakin "do his duty," and Obi-Wan told him that if they could stop Dooku, they could "end this war right now." Later, Yoda is faced with a choice--he can go after Dooku, or save Anakin and Obi-Wan. He chooses to temporarily disregard the fate of the Galaxy and the Republic to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. One can argue that he was destined to do so--he was--but if we subscribe to such an idea, we must also believe that Yoda was ALWAYS destined to decide to save Anakin, instead of saving the Republic. He made a clearly anti-dmeocratic decision, which ends up destroying millions--possibly billions--of lives.

I noticed that the first time I saw the movie. My guess is simply that Dooku was too powerful, and Yoda knew it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 12:40am

pecker wrote:I noticed that the first time I saw the movie. My guess is simply that Dooku was too powerful, and Yoda knew it.

No, I think it was meant the way that I took it. It makes perfect sense, in conjunction with the rest of the movie. Look at the way that Queen Jamillia (sp?) of Naboo said, "The day we stop believing in democracy is the day we lose it." This is clearly meant to be connected with the rest of episodes II and III. Yoda's decidedly anti-democratic decision was yet another example of the arrogance demonstrated repeatedly by Jedi during the film (to the point of becoming a motif). Besides, Dooku seemed to be losing the duel, and Yoda should have easily been able to sabotage his spacecraft to the point where it could not make orbit, in which case Dooku clearly would have been captured or killed.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 01:04am

Perinquus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:According to Robert Brown, most of the Jedi extras were flashy, immature martial arts students that were able to wow Nick Giliard (or whatever his name is) with their "combat skills".

I think he also said that there were several REAL kendo students there (and I think maybe a few masters), and they chastized the flashy morons, with some of the masters yelling that they didn't really know anything about combat, only how to do "cool" moves.
Where did he say that? I've looked at his lightsaber page - he hasn't updated it in over a year. He really needs to put some updates in there now that ep. II is out.

Posted on the X-wing Community forum at Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:31 pm GMT:

Bob Brown wrote:thought I should drop over to this site and see how things are going. Never expected to be the subject of a thread! How very bizare!:oops:

Noticed that there were questions and puzzlements about "what happenned to Bob", well a while back anyhow ....

So here we go:

Well its been long enough that I am not interested any longer in "calling names" and laying blame (I don't even remember all the names involved)~ so I wont even try.

Suffice to say - it was a combination of many things ...

But I suppoose there were two MAIN factors:
(1) the new unrecoverable depths that SW has fallen to
(2) the selfish and down-right rude antics of a few specific board-hoarders

number (2) I wont detail 'cause it just doesnt matter anymore, as I menioned above...
and :
number (1) I wont discuss in detail because I have seen all too frequently how fanboiz react when anyone threatens their religious icons in any way (eg: anyone DARING to ask if AoTC was less than the greatest thing since sliced bread in a public forum, usually leads to a 50-post flame war and people being banned from sites!).

So, suffice to say I have fallen to the DarkSide (no NOT trek!) and am no longer a SW fan. The toys & books are all packed away in boxes and may never see the light of day again. SW has lost ALL of its charm for me in EVERYWAY. I have escaped the evil LFL empire and feel SO much better! (try it! you'll see!)

I no longer have to either prostitute my principles in order to accept what SW has turned into (as many commentators have done, turning tricks to try to "fit" the new crap into the old vision) - nor lie awake sleepless worrying about how to tell everytone HOW it has all gone wrong ... it just doesnt matter anymore

Anyhow, enuff of all that crap ... I just decided it was too much effort for no return - it stopped being an enjoyable hobby about 5 years ago. So I just plain stopped.

Sorry if I have caused you any offense - and I am sorry that the synicon discussion board died (that was at least partially accidental, and partially due to reason (2)) ...

I would like to thank the good guys of X-WingLegacy for hosting this forum - it helps me to feel a LOT less guilty at having deprived you all of a site to meet and discuss all those things which you still feel are worth discussing.

If anyone has a REALLY urgent and important issue they need to raise with me, I kinda sorta can still be contacted thru Saxman on special and rare events only (I'll trust him to only send thru worthwhile stuff), but please believe me ... I am now officially a RETIRED StarWars fan (much to the delight of the Reynolds, Saxtons & Wongs of this world) ... so don't expect me to go to much effort trying to answer any SW questions or express any SW opinions (you REALLY wouldnt want to hear what I think of SW these days) ~ I'm simply not interested anymore.

I am now beyond all redemption, and will never now turn back from the DarkSide. It is too late for me, my children

well - thats it for me guys ... it was a blast while it lasted. If you can still squeeze a few more drops of fun outta the horrible mess that SW has become, then good on you, and all the best!

Clear Ether
NanooNanoo
QX
and most importantly of all ...
THINK FOR YOURSELVES
farewell!

No updates on the way, I'm afraid.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-23 01:08am

Master of Ossus wrote:
pecker wrote:I noticed that the first time I saw the movie. My guess is simply that Dooku was too powerful, and Yoda knew it.
No, I think it was meant the way that I took it. It makes perfect sense, in conjunction with the rest of the movie. Look at the way that Queen Jamillia (sp?) of Naboo said, "The day we stop believing in democracy is the day we lose it." This is clearly meant to be connected with the rest of episodes II and III. Yoda's decidedly anti-democratic decision was yet another example of the arrogance demonstrated repeatedly by Jedi during the film (to the point of becoming a motif). Besides, Dooku seemed to be losing the duel, and Yoda should have easily been able to sabotage his spacecraft to the point where it could not make orbit, in which case Dooku clearly would have been captured or killed.

Obi Wan and Anakin show this as well. When they first rushed into the hanger Obi Wan should have distracted or held off Dooku while Anakin carved up the ship. They didn't have to take him on head on to defeat him.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-23 01:14am

Random thought from the shower:

Maybe the Jedi being flambuoyant wasn't a bad thing. I thoguht of many factors. Hear me out.

Many Eastern melee weapons had colored flags on them. These were meant to distract and confuse the enemy. In the heat of battle, seeing a colorful object spinning in front of you is going to confuse you, giving the precious fractions of a second for your opponent to strike. Spinning a lightsaber would have the same effect. Organic soldiers would get a sudden, short shock/surprise, enough to offset aiming or give a Jedi time to strike. It could even be a type of slight hypnosis. Even when we watch the movies, we instinctivley are drawn to a lightsaber whenever it moves, if even for a moment. That's enough time to make someone dead.

Also, we have no idea what Droid targetting systems are based on. It could simply be visible light. However, assume for a moments it is movement and heat based. Spinning a lightsaber is going to create alot of displaced air (movement), and will likely heat up the air as it interacts with it, leaving a large heat signature somewhere right next to the Jedi. Now, a Droid may get confused as to which is the true threat. Or they may see the very hot, fast moving object as a greater threat than the relatively stationary Jedi. Many times in the arena, when a Jedi spins his/her saber, the droids stop dead, and many follow the saber with their heads.

More than once, a Jedi spins his saber once or twice, and it stops dead milliseconds before a blaster bolt hits it. It may be the Jedi are tricking the Droids into firing into a presetermined angle, so it will be deflected back and hit the Droid.

Just a thought.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-23 01:26am

neoolong wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
pecker wrote:I noticed that the first time I saw the movie. My guess is simply that Dooku was too powerful, and Yoda knew it.
No, I think it was meant the way that I took it. It makes perfect sense, in conjunction with the rest of the movie. Look at the way that Queen Jamillia (sp?) of Naboo said, "The day we stop believing in democracy is the day we lose it." This is clearly meant to be connected with the rest of episodes II and III. Yoda's decidedly anti-democratic decision was yet another example of the arrogance demonstrated repeatedly by Jedi during the film (to the point of becoming a motif). Besides, Dooku seemed to be losing the duel, and Yoda should have easily been able to sabotage his spacecraft to the point where it could not make orbit, in which case Dooku clearly would have been captured or killed.
Obi Wan and Anakin show this as well. When they first rushed into the hanger Obi Wan should have distracted or held off Dooku while Anakin carved up the ship. They didn't have to take him on head on to defeat him.

Nah, Dooku would have either zapped Anakin as he went for the ship, or the Droids would have taken off to circle around, or just activated the shields.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 01:27am

Pcm979 wrote:
Perinquus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:According to Robert Brown, most of the Jedi extras were flashy, immature martial arts students that were able to wow Nick Giliard (or whatever his name is) with their "combat skills".

I think he also said that there were several REAL kendo students there (and I think maybe a few masters), and they chastized the flashy morons, with some of the masters yelling that they didn't really know anything about combat, only how to do "cool" moves.
Where did he say that? I've looked at his lightsaber page - he hasn't updated it in over a year. He really needs to put some updates in there now that ep. II is out.
Posted on the X-wing Community forum at Mon Sep 23, 2002 3:31 pm GMT:

Bob Brown wrote:thought I should drop over to this site and see how things are going. Never expected to be the subject of a thread! How very bizare!:oops:

Noticed that there were questions and puzzlements about "what happenned to Bob", well a while back anyhow ....

So here we go:

Well its been long enough that I am not interested any longer in "calling names" and laying blame (I don't even remember all the names involved)~ so I wont even try.

Suffice to say - it was a combination of many things ...

But I suppoose there were two MAIN factors:
(1) the new unrecoverable depths that SW has fallen to
(2) the selfish and down-right rude antics of a few specific board-hoarders

number (2) I wont detail 'cause it just doesnt matter anymore, as I menioned above...
and :
number (1) I wont discuss in detail because I have seen all too frequently how fanboiz react when anyone threatens their religious icons in any way (eg: anyone DARING to ask if AoTC was less than the greatest thing since sliced bread in a public forum, usually leads to a 50-post flame war and people being banned from sites!).

So, suffice to say I have fallen to the DarkSide (no NOT trek!) and am no longer a SW fan. The toys & books are all packed away in boxes and may never see the light of day again. SW has lost ALL of its charm for me in EVERYWAY. I have escaped the evil LFL empire and feel SO much better! (try it! you'll see!)

I no longer have to either prostitute my principles in order to accept what SW has turned into (as many commentators have done, turning tricks to try to "fit" the new crap into the old vision) - nor lie awake sleepless worrying about how to tell everytone HOW it has all gone wrong ... it just doesnt matter anymore

Anyhow, enuff of all that crap ... I just decided it was too much effort for no return - it stopped being an enjoyable hobby about 5 years ago. So I just plain stopped.

Sorry if I have caused you any offense - and I am sorry that the synicon discussion board died (that was at least partially accidental, and partially due to reason (2)) ...

I would like to thank the good guys of X-WingLegacy for hosting this forum - it helps me to feel a LOT less guilty at having deprived you all of a site to meet and discuss all those things which you still feel are worth discussing.

If anyone has a REALLY urgent and important issue they need to raise with me, I kinda sorta can still be contacted thru Saxman on special and rare events only (I'll trust him to only send thru worthwhile stuff), but please believe me ... I am now officially a RETIRED StarWars fan (much to the delight of the Reynolds, Saxtons & Wongs of this world) ... so don't expect me to go to much effort trying to answer any SW questions or express any SW opinions (you REALLY wouldnt want to hear what I think of SW these days) ~ I'm simply not interested anymore.

I am now beyond all redemption, and will never now turn back from the DarkSide. It is too late for me, my children

well - thats it for me guys ... it was a blast while it lasted. If you can still squeeze a few more drops of fun outta the horrible mess that SW has become, then good on you, and all the best!

Clear Ether
NanooNanoo
QX
and most importantly of all ...
THINK FOR YOURSELVES
farewell!
No updates on the way, I'm afraid.

What an asshole.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-23 01:30am

pecker wrote:Nah, Dooku would have either zapped Anakin as he went for the ship, or the Droids would have taken off to circle around, or just activated the shields.

Dooku is good. But I don't think he could handle dueling Obi Wan and having to take out Anakin. The droids on the other hand didn't seem to be doing much. I think Anakin could have cut something off or cut through the hull before they did something or activated the shields. Or just used the Force or something.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 01:42am

Vympel wrote:What an asshole.

My first controversial post!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 02:16am

Hahahah not you, you were just quoting him.

Skimmer once said that he was on a "holy crusade" against the prequels. He was right.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 02:32am

Vympel wrote:Hahahah not you, you were just quoting him.

Skimmer once said that he was on a "holy crusade" against the prequels. He was right.

And the EU. And non international english spelling conventions.
Seriously though, he has written some very good stuff. (Hell, his lightsaber page got me interested in the physics of SW in the first place!)

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 02:36am

Pcm979 wrote:
Vympel wrote:Hahahah not you, you were just quoting him.

Skimmer once said that he was on a "holy crusade" against the prequels. He was right.
And the EU. And non international english spelling conventions.
Seriously though, he has written some very good stuff. (Hell, his lightsaber page got me interested in the physics of SW in the first place!)

Yup them too.

I liked some of his work but you get the clear impression that because the prequels don't live up to his pre-conceived notions of what they SHOULD be like he hates them- and obviously thinks that anyone who likes AOTC is a drone. Elitist wet blanket really.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 02:44am

He's from that group of people who's comments on the SW saga went something like this:
ANH: ***** 5/5
ESB: ***** 5/5
RoTJ: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
EU: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
TPM: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
AOTC: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 03:04am

Pcm979 wrote:He's from that group of people who's comments on the SW saga went something like this:
ANH: ***** 5/5
ESB: ***** 5/5
RoTJ: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
EU: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
TPM: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!
AOTC: George has lost his grip! Someone do something!

My thoughts exactly. The moment they saw that the PT was not what they expected it to be, they start crying.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 03:21am

I especially like the bit where they act as if at some point between RoTJ and TPM George "lost track of the SW ethos".
In other words, they're saying that the creator of the SW universe doesn't know what he's doing.
[/rant][/rave]

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-23 04:13am

Pcm979 wrote:I especially like the bit where they act as if at some point between RoTJ and TPM George "lost track of the SW ethos".
In other words, they're saying that the creator of the SW universe doesn't know what he's doing.
[/rant][/rave]

[brown]WAAHHHHH ... I know what Star Wars is better than the guy who wrote it in the first place ... WAHHHHHH[/brown]

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 05:24am

I couldn't resist. It's cruel, unkind, and probably just plain stupid but I'm on a roll. So, for your pleasure, I present:

Bob Brown wrote: thunk ah sh'd drop on over t'this site an' see how thin's is gwine. Nevah specked t'be th' subjeck of a thread! Fry mah hide! How mighty bizare!icon_redface.gif Noticed thet thar were quesshuns an' puzzlements about "whut happenned t'Bob", fine a spell back ennyhow .... So hyar we go: Wal its been long inough thet ah's not interested enny longer in "callin' names" an' layin' blame (ah doesn't even remember all th' names involved)~ so ah wont even try. Suffice t'say - it was a combinashun of menny thin's ... But ah suppoose thar were two MAIN facko's: (1) th' noo unrecovahable depphs thet SW has fallen to (2) th' se'fish an' down-right rude annics of a few specific board-hoarders number (2) ah wont detail 'cuz it jest doesnt matter ennymo'e, as ah menioned above... an' : number (1) ah wont discuss in detail on account o' ah have see all too frequently how fanboiz reack when ennyone thrett ups their religious icons in enny way (eg: ennyone DARING t'ax eff'n AoTC was less than th' greatess thin' on account o' sliced bread in a public fo'um, usually leads t'a 50-post flame war an' varmints bein' banned fum sites!). So, suffice t'say ah have fallen t'th' DarkSide (no NOT trek! Fry mah hide!) an' is no longer a SW fan, as enny fool kin plainly see. Th' toys & books is all packed away in boxes an' may nevah see th' light of day agin. SW has lost ALL of its charm fo' me in EVERYWAY. ah have excaped th' evil LFL empire an' feel SO much better! Fry mah hide! (try it! Fry mah hide! yo'll see!) ah no longer hafta eifer prosteetoote mah principles in o'der t'accepp whut SW has turned into (as menny commentato's haf done, turnin' tricks t'try t'"fit" th' noo crap into th' old vishun) - no' lie awake sleepless wo'ryin' about how t'tell ev'rytone HOW it has all gone wrong ... it jest doesnt matter ennymo'e icon_trimenjusgrin, as enny fool kin plainly see.gif Ennyhow, inuff of all thet crap ... ah jest decided it was too much effo't fo' no return - it stopped bein' an injoyable hobby about 5 years ago. So ah jest plain stopped, cuss it all t' tarnation. So'ry eff'n ah have cuzd yo' enny offense - an' ah's so'ry thet th' synicon discusshun board died (thet was at least partially accidental, an' partially due t'reason (2)) ... ah w'd like t'thank th' fine guys of X-Win'Legacy fo' hostin' this hyar fo'um icon_lol, ah reckon.gif - it he'ps me t'feel a LOT less guilty at havin' deprived yo' all of a site t'meet an' discuss all them thin's which yo' still feel is wo'th discussin'. Eff'n ennyone has a REALLY urjunt an' impo'tant issue they need t'raise wif me, ah kinda so'ta kin still be corntacked thru Saxman on special an' rare events only (I'll trest him t'only send thru wo'thwhile stuff), but please believe me ... ah's now officially a RETIRED StarWars fan (much t'th' delight of th' Reynolds, Saxtons & Wongs of this hyar wo'ld) ... so doesn't speck me t'go t'much effo't tryin' t'answer enny SW quesshuns o' express enny SW opinions (yo' REALLY'dnt be hankerin' t'hear whut ah reckon of SW these days) ~ ah's simply not interested ennymo'e. ah's now beyond all redempshun, an' will nevah now turn back fum th' DarkSide. It is too late fo' me, mah chillun icon_wink. Shet mah mouth!gif fine - thets it fo' me guys ... it was a blast while it lasted, cuss it all t' tarnation. Eff'n yo' kin still squeeze a few mo'e drops of fun outta th' ho'rible mess thet SW has become, then fine on yo', an' all th' best! Fry mah hide! Clear Ether NanooNanoo QX an' most impo'tantly of all ... THINK FOR YOURSELVES farefine! Fry mah hide! icon_right fine.gif

Sorry about the formatting.

Acclamator · Post by **Acclamator** » 2002-11-23 10:01am

Hmm...

In the first shot of igniting after Windu says "This party's over", four Jedi ignite. There is one green saber and three blue in this shot. The furthest from the camera, a female Twi'lek, has one of the stupider stances, with her legs crossed and the lightsaber away off to one side above her head.

The next shot consists of two Jedi, a blue and a green saber. One of these Jedi, another female alien (with green saber) draws and then holds the blade at arms length pointing inwards, while hunkering down some way so that it looks like she is trying to hold her pee or something.

The other, with the blue saber, (and yet another alien female), makes a questionable stabbing motion. Still, it's not as bad as the preceeding two.

The next scene has two jedi, blue and green sabre. The green saber weilder, a male alien with a mass of tentacles coming off the back of his head, lights up facing forward and then swings around to the left and... stands there. WTF?

After this, the next shot has a Zabrak male (Darth Maul's species) with a green saber apparently practicing his ballet dancing. Further away, a possibly human female dressed like Darth Sidious waves a blue saber about.

The final shot has Coleman Trebor (the jedi Jango kills) wheel a full 180 before actually taking his (green) saber out and igniting it. Behind him, a human, asian female, draws her (green) saber vertically over her head, apparantly from a Blade-style stowage position on her back, and then sticks her left hand out to the side in a "force push" motion, though why is unclear. (A low "force telekinesis" rumble sounds on the soundtrack at this point, so she may infact be executing a force push, making the action less daft.)