Transporter Reliability Myths

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 08:43pm

The imunity to subspace weapons is a reference from wongs site where he mentons that subspace weapons have no effect on Imp ships because they dont use "this silly subspace" stuff

Exactly. And since they don't use "silly subspace stuff" they have no means at their disposal with which to defend against "silly subspace stuff" like subtrans.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-17 08:44pm

Unfortunately, it's already been argued, with SW being said to come up with subspace jamming

*Came up?
Are you serious?
Jamming has been in SW since ANH, Seriously I mean the Death-Star was covered in the things(Why the went into the Trench to begin with was to escape the Jamming that made thier targeting Computers Worthless from an overhead shot)
SW Jammers are so powerful they literly Mess with space-time itself(Ref ICS, and a few other things)

You have to keep in mind Subspace Trickey does not work with SW because unlike ST, each weapon for its purpose, SW desgins are based on being able to do the most possible with anything, ST has weapons SPECFICLY made for fighting the Borg because there regular weapons don't cut it, They have special Jammers for the Borg also and specal Sensors and a load of of specilsation they have gotten themselevs into
And Jammers? ST unless I miss my guess has never heard of them

BTW The pure Miltary Defifinton of a Jammer is somthing that messes with EVERYTHING
Everychannel, Every station, EVERY TV REMOTE IN THE CONTENTAL UNITED STATES!
Wew
But Jamming is diffrent from shields and from hulls or from anything else, its a sure thing so to speak, you can get only get around jamming for so long because evunatly you run out of alternatives
(RL-If an Aegis Ship lit off its Jammers within a half a mile of shore, everything from TV remotes to Wireless networking cards would be unusable thanks to the fact the jammer like I said is desgined to FUBAR everything!)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:44pm

Ai Phling Pu, all you appear to do is take whatever we say and then say that SW does it worse. I ask you again. DO SUBSPACE TRANSPORTERS USE MATTER OR ENERGY. If they do, I find it HIGHLY likely that SW shields would block them. How are you going to transport anything onto the Flight Deck, and why would you?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:45pm

Wong is however wrong they do use subspace tech - they have a backup subspace comms system according to WEG - which warsies hate.

So Wong was being misleading im afraid either that or he disregards WEG.

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 08:45pm

Ossus, you're obviously just not paying attention.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-17 08:46pm

TheDarkling wrote:Wong is however wrong they do use subspace tech - they have a backup subspace comms system according to WEG - which warsies hate.

So Wong was being misleading im afraid either that or he disregards WEG.

*rolls his eyes* Read WEG again, Darkling. Those comms are not backups, certainly not on the ISD.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-17 08:46pm

Ossus, you're obviously just not paying attention

Niether are you it seems

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:47pm

And no, it did not escape my attention that you TOTALLY ignored my last point to propose a meaningless tactic.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:48pm

Master of Ossus: The shields dont block everything.

SirNitram: I have and I even gave you the quote about it being used for emergency purposes.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:50pm

Darkling: They DO block matter and energy. How can you beam someone up without tranferring either matter or energy?

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 08:51pm

Okay, we're starting to miss the point here.

Subspace transport occurs in subspace. The matter is converted to energy, but that energy is not sent in realspace. Therefore shields operating in realspace will not affect it.

Second, regarding Mr. Bean's, ahem, treatise on jamming: yes, they would have to "come up with" subspace jamming. Why?

Well, answer me this: why would they be expecting a subspace transporter incursion? How are they supposed to prepare a defense against what is to them an absolutely unprecedented form of attack?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:51pm

They dont block every piece of energy and all matter.

Smalleyjedi · Post by **Smalleyjedi** » 2002-07-17 08:53pm

Im afraid they do

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:54pm

What kinds of matter get through shields? Have you EVER seen a physical object get through a SW shield while it was up?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:54pm

Ah so they block comms?, ships cant exit?, light cant pass through them?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:55pm

Look, I'm not saying that they could be ready for an unprecedented form of attack. What I am saying is that they would not have to create new systems to deal with it. The systems that they have are already more than capable of stopping such a tactic.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:56pm

You said they block everything - which they dont since sensor still function and comms and so on.

Now as has been pointed out the imps have no inferrence of subspace shielding (if such a thing exists) and as such there shields wont stop something in subspace.

Remember we just got through saying we assume the shields function roughly the same.

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 08:56pm

What kinds of matter get through shields? Have you EVER seen a physical object get through a SW shield while it was up?
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Actually, yes. A whole crapload of X-, A- and Y-wings, not to mention the Millenium Falcon, in ANH. You don't think the Death Star lowered its shields and waved 'em in, do you?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:57pm

TheDarkling wrote:Ah so they block comms?, ships cant exit?, light cant pass through them?

The shields on SW ships might be able to block comms (ref. ESB). Ships cannot exit them while the shields are up, and ambient light is allowed through until it becomes harmful.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:58pm

Ai Phling Pu wrote:What kinds of matter get through shields? Have you EVER seen a physical object get through a SW shield while it was up?
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Actually, yes. A whole crapload of X-, A- and Y-wings, not to mention the Millenium Falcon, in ANH. You don't think the Death Star lowered its shields and waved 'em in, do you?

Those ships never actually got through DS's shields, which were designed to protect the surface of the DS. The interference they received came from the magnetic field. You have yet to demonstrate to me that the subspace transporter could operate properly against a SW ship, even one that had not been modified.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 08:59pm

They can block comms but they dont always since we have seen comms going on while shields have been up.

They dont block everything and once again this discussion on shields is moot anyway.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-17 08:59pm

I should also point out that no A-Wings got through the shield in ANH, dumbass. Anyone who watched the movie would have known that.

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 08:59pm

Look, I'm not saying that they could be ready for an unprecedented form of attack. What I am saying is that they would not have to create new systems to deal with it. The systems that they have are already more than capable of stopping such a tactic.

And you base that on what? If their shield technology does the same thing, albeit more powerfully so, it doesn't matter. The energy transmission is coming through an alternate level of space, and re-entering normal space at its destination, which is inside the shields. It very literally goes around the shield and then re-enters normal space.

Ai Phling Pu · Post by **Ai Phling Pu** » 2002-07-17 09:01pm

Point being that you asked for an example of matter getting through a SW shield and I gave you a canon example. Dumbass.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-17 09:01pm

Master of Ossus: As an aside did the death star have shields, protecting the hull I mean?

Since Darkstar was discussing Luke hitting the death stars hull either the shields were really weak or didnt exist.