Prison reform – No Orgasms!

[CaptainChewbacca]

They could install a 'love closet' in jails for prisoner use. 15 minutes, twice a week.

[Kamakazie Sith]

They could install a 'love closet' in jails for prisoner use. 15 minutes, twice a week.

They could, but probably not. Though it does make me wonder if they have some sort of private time that the media is leaving out to make this look bad.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I was raised in a Christian home, where masturbation wasn't discussed. I didn't 'figure it out' until I was 21 and was hospitalized for prostate trouble. If a grown man doesn't 'release' at least every week or so, it can lead to health problems.

[Spice Runner]

Meh. She's a woman.

Point being?

Meaning she doesn't understand that when a guy is sexually closed off for years at a time, they get a little cranky. And by "cranky", I mean "violent".

You've got it wrong. This is Florida home of many retarded Christian morons. They are the reason for that sort retarded ignorance when it comes to anything related to sex or sexual matters.

[chitoryu12]

Point being?

Meaning she doesn't understand that when a guy is sexually closed off for years at a time, they get a little cranky. And by "cranky", I mean "violent".

You've got it wrong. This is Florida home of many retarded Christian morons. They are the reason for that sort retarded ignorance when it comes to anything related to sex or sexual matters.

You realize that on the first page I admitted that I was stupid and apologized for saying that. Meaning that it's pretty much done and over with.

[Spyder]

^ Mm, Indeed, one would need them to understand the situation

One would also need them to be even remotely funny or amusing, something you clearly fail at.

Ha! Hey buddy,

quit emoing all over this board. We don't care. It's unwholesome and embarrassing

What's this 'we' business? Is there someone here that doesn't find you irritating?

[Broomstick]

"No sex" and "no masturbation" are pretty common rules in prison. They are also common activities.

Leaving aside the issues of sex in prison, the "no masturbation" rule is typically something I call a nuisance control rule. Like spitting on the sidewalk and urinating outdoors, if its done discreetly the infraction is usually ignored. It would be pretty damn rare for the average prisoner masturbating quietly under his blanket to be called to task. Jailers aren't stupid, they know that letting the guys get their rocks off once in awhile makes them easier to handle (usually). But if a prisoner is jacking off openly, spraying others with cum for fun and amusement, and otherwise being a true nuisance they can throw the book at him.

So I'm in the group that thinks there may be more to this story than we are being told.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I agree with Broomstick. Even here in the shit ass South I've met cops and DoC guys laugh it up with stories of military career shenanagins involving the most vulgar sex stories you could shake a stick at. I don't see there being loony Christian crazies who just couldn't handle it. He must've been pulling some shit for awhile and they just chose the nab him for this because it was a rule and he was on tape.

[darthdavid]

I'm withholding judgment until more facts become clear. The nuisance control angle makes sense but I've seen fundie bastard do retarded shit like this again and again for no good reason so I'm not going to shrug off the possibility.

[Johonebesus]

The article said that the sheriff has ordered a crack down, and this particular deputy has filed charges on eight inmates. The defendant would already be out of the sheriff's jail if not for these charges. It doesn't really sound like they are just trying to deal with a trouble maker.

[ArmorPierce]

So, chitoryu12 talks out of his inexperienced 15 year old ass again.

Women in general sure do understand sexually closed off men. They just don't want to have anything to do with them. Do you have any close women friends? They know more about how men think and feel than you think.

I don't think so, I've heard it said multiple times when a woman has more testosterone running through they're body, they are shocked that young teenaged boys have to go through that all the time. Saying you know and actually knowing from first hand experience is completely different.

A woman will not waste time teaching you how to deal with your sexual needs. Don't confuse that with women don't know. If you ever get any close women friends (doubtful since you seem to think women are too stupid to understand male sexual urges: protip, women can be as horny as men) they'll help you out, but don't think average woman doesn't know that men need sex. They just don't want to be sluts and give it to anybody.

1. I don't know what you are talking about a woman teaching him how to deal with his sexual needs.
2. He never said that women are too stupid to understand male sexual urges.
3. I don't think that it's being argued that women can't be as horny as men, what's being argued is the effects of being deprived of it.

This has nothing to do with women not understanding man, and everything to do with social conditioning and improper sexuality of the body in organized religion. Plus, I'm betting we're not seeing the whole story here. If the man was an innmate maybe he was doing a whole bunch of bullshit like cat calls and sexism and prison politics, so maybe this was the guard's way of getting back.

Weren't you the one that said that we should be going by the article rather than hypothesizing what might have been left out?

[Death from the Sea]

Wow Cops need to know that they are among the ones that must directly face the ugliness of life

gee, ya think? wow how long did it take you to come up with that? For the record, in many states officers cannot be offended like a civilian can. Meaning if no civilians are around and a crook cusses the officer cannot really arrest the crook for disorderly conduct (the cussing in public). Now if there is a civilian within earshot and it is reasonable to believe that they were offended by the cussing then the crook can be arrested.

BUT it is different in prison, because believe it or not, the inmates do have fewer freedoms than normal citizens. After all they are not there just to get them off the street but to punish them.

And part of being a criminal is NOT restraining those uncivilized urges

And is that supposed to mean it is excusable and they can get away with it?

[Johonebesus]

And part of being a criminal is NOT restraining those uncivilized urges

And is that supposed to mean it is excusable and they can get away with it?

Just for clarification, are you stating that it is reasonable for prisons to forbid inmates from masturbating, and to punish those that are caught in the act, even if they were alone and only caught because of surveillance?

[Death from the Sea]

And part of being a criminal is NOT restraining those uncivilized urges

And is that supposed to mean it is excusable and they can get away with it?

Just for clarification, are you stating that it is reasonable for prisons to forbid inmates from masturbating, and to punish those that are caught in the act, even if they were alone and only caught because of surveillance?

no, I am saying that if something (in general) is against the rules/laws for a person to do it and then a criminal does it.... how does the above statement excuse that? because the person is a criminal so OF COURSE they are going to break the rules/law? that makes no sense

[Justforfun000]

This is fucking ridiculous! I don't give a damn if they are prisoners and they are not allowed a 'private' space. They have no right to prevent people from masturbating. Certainly any flagrant displays of it is one thing, but don't tell me they can't find a spot to sit on their bed facing the wall and do so in relative privacy.
Criminalizing this kind of behavior is insane.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

More info:

8 Targets in Prison Masturbation Cases

Posted Jul 27, 2007, 03:09 pm CDT
By Martha Neil

Updated: A Florida inmate convicted this week of masturbating while alone in his jail cell is reportedly only one of eight targets—along with state taxpayers—of what a Miami Herald columnist describes as "a spectacular case of selective prosecution."

Given the likely prevalence of such commonplace behavior in state prisons (not to mention boarding schools, seminaries and military barracks), criminally charging any Broward County inmate with masturbation represents a major waste of prosecution dollars, writes Fred Grimm in the Miami Herald ("Justice went blind in this jailhouse case").

However, in addition to the 20-year-old inmate convicted this week, three other inmates charged in similar cases have accepted pleas and three still await trial (one case was dismissed). All were charged by the same female deputy, according to the Sun-Sentinel.

Grimm also questions whether the cure is worse than the disease. Prospective jurors were publicly questioned about their own masturbation habits, as noted in an earlier ABAJournal.com post, before Terry Lee Alexander—who was already facing a 10-year robbery sentence—was convicted of indecent exposure Tuesday and sentenced to 60 days, as reported by the Herald.

Plus, during Alexander's trial, prosecutor Cynthia Lauriston and the female deputy who complained, after observing him on a monitor as he was alone in his cell, "managed to describe Alexander's offense in startling detail, eight times, once with Lauriston approximating the action with arm motions," Grimm notes.

''It was very vulgar. Very indecent,'' the deputy testified, describing the new crime of which Alexander has now been convicted, the column concludes. "But she could have been characterizing the prosecution, the trial, the verdict and the obscene, indecent, vulgar, lascivious, downright stupid waste of time and money."

(Originally posted at 1:10 p.m.)

Fucking bluenose bitch; the inmate was doing it alone in his cell out of view!

[chitoryu12]

More info:

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(Originally posted at 1:10 p.m.)

Fucking bluenose bitch; the inmate was doing it alone in his cell out of view!

It looks like she's taking the law extremely literally. It would be kind of like being pulled over for speeding on a deserted back road without a single soul other than you and the cop for miles.

[White Haven]

Except that speeding can result in death, property damage, and potentially unrecouped medical fees on the part of a hospital, whereas masturbation alone in one's own cell is more likely to cause the loss of one (1) paper towel from the prison's supply cabinet.

[chitoryu12]

Except that speeding can result in death, property damage, and potentially unrecouped medical fees on the part of a hospital, whereas masturbation alone in one's own cell is more likely to cause the loss of one (1) paper towel from the prison's supply cabinet.

I always figured the speeding law to be in effect more to protect others than yourself. I may be wrong, though.

Okay, new analogy: Getting a $1000 ticket for tossing a single Blowpop stick on the highway (the signs I saw give a thousand dollar fine for littering).

[Flagg]

Except that speeding can result in death, property damage, and potentially unrecouped medical fees on the part of a hospital, whereas masturbation alone in one's own cell is more likely to cause the loss of one (1) paper towel from the prison's supply cabinet.

I always figured the speeding law to be in effect more to protect others than yourself. I may be wrong, though.

Okay, new analogy: Getting a $1000 ticket for tossing a single Blowpop stick on the highway (the signs I saw give a thousand dollar fine for littering).

That's a retarded analogy too.

[chitoryu12]

Except that speeding can result in death, property damage, and potentially unrecouped medical fees on the part of a hospital, whereas masturbation alone in one's own cell is more likely to cause the loss of one (1) paper towel from the prison's supply cabinet.

I always figured the speeding law to be in effect more to protect others than yourself. I may be wrong, though.

Okay, new analogy: Getting a $1000 ticket for tossing a single Blowpop stick on the highway (the signs I saw give a thousand dollar fine for littering).

That's a retarded analogy too.

How? Both are very strict enforcings of a rule already in place, to the point of the person enforcing the rule looking totally anal and unforgiving at best, and looking to catch as many "criminals" as possible at worst.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Littering slightly and littering significantly are both public nuissances. Between masturbating quietly and cleanly under a blanket, and jizzing in a hallway, which is a public nuissance?

[chitoryu12]

One three inch long stick is hardly a public nuissance, unless you throw it directly at another car. It's doubtful that you would even notice something so tiny unless you were specifically looking in that area for it.

[CaptainChewbacca]

One three inch long stick is hardly a public nuissance, unless you throw it directly at another car. It's doubtful that you would even notice something so tiny unless you were specifically looking in that area for it.

Is it litter in a public area? Yes. Masturbating quietly in private does not contribute to the public disorder of a corrections institute, while ANY ammount of litter in a public place contributes to the total level of public litter. Now do you see why your analogy is bad?

[chitoryu12]

I'll have to think on that one a bit more. I'm still trying to see how a three inch paper stick is a public nuissance. It's similar to how driving a car down the freeway is bad because it contributes to the total amount of carbon dioxide in the air, when it really doesn't do that much, as compared to burning piles of dead trees by the side of the road, which the Georgia government decided to do.